and away we go. CDC vaccine committee canceled

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He may, but it might be logical to give him a month on the job before beginning all the hysterics. Probably doesn't even know where all the bathrooms in the building are yet.
 
Callatoroy said:
He may, but it might be logical to give him a month on the job before beginning all the hysterics. Probably doesn't even know where all the bathrooms in the building are yet.
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So why is he interfering in the regularly scheduled vaccine group meetings?

The fact that he's doing this without any institutional knowledge is a clue that he's going to be a disaster. Good managers just don't do that sort of thing.
 
can the board epidemiologists weight in on immunity at scale? Make it simple for me. Say we have 100 people in a geography. Currently 99 get vaccinated for disease x and we have zero cases of the disease. How low can we go before my vaccination no longer provides immunity? Say only 50 people get it (all MAGAs abstain) - am I still protected? Thanks
 
Batt Boy said:
can the board epidemiologists weight in on immunity at scale? Make it simple for me. Say we have 100 people in a geography. Currently 99 get vaccinated for disease x and we have zero cases of the disease. How low can we go before my vaccination no longer provides immunity? Say only 50 people get it (all MAGAs abstain) - am I still protected? Thanks
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If you are vaccinated and your immune system is properly responding, the vaccinations can go to everyone but you unvaccinated and you will still be protected. Herd immunity protects people who aren't vaccinated or whose immune system doesn't respond to a vaccination.
 
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Batt Boy said:
can the board epidemiologists weight in on immunity at scale? Make it simple for me. Say we have 100 people in a geography. Currently 99 get vaccinated for disease x and we have zero cases of the disease. How low can we go before my vaccination no longer provides immunity? Say only 50 people get it (all MAGAs abstain) - am I still protected? Thanks
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That depends on how contagious the disease is. For measles I believe you need to have > 94% vaccinated or otherwise immune to reach herd immunity. Other disease may require a lot less.

But this depends on population density, behavior, etc.

To give an example, if you had 100,000 people packed in a concentration camp, 94% of the population being immune would probably not be enough to prevent sustainable spread of measles.
 
Fuuuuuck that sucks. Pfizer is super happy I’m sure- their pentavalent meningococcal vaccine was already approved and recommended by ACIP. GSK just received approval last week and had hoped to get the same recommendation. ACIP timing is a major driver for vaccine submissions to the FDA.

It’s going to be really interesting to see what happens with the upcoming FDA flu vaccine advisory committee (which still isn’t scheduled but is normally held early March). CDC already removed seasonal flu vaccination recommendations from their website.

 
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Granville said:
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To my knowledge this is not set in stone. The current telehealth exemption expires end of March but Congress can extend as they have done many times since it was first allowed during covid. Now do I have any great expectations they will do the right thing...
 
dukeman92 said:
I wonder how many Americans Trump will kill this term... :unsure:
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The question is, will the harm be spread equally among Americans or will this ultimately be pointed back at MAGA (and some crazy left-wingers)?

My hunch is that, unless vaccine non-compliance gets to a place where the financials for the vaccine makers are significantly impaired, that vaccines will still be readily available and that typical insurance will cover them (although maybe not medicaid or ACA coverage?). If we can keep access open, then the vast majority of those who don't get the vaccines and open themselves up to significant harm will be MAGA folks (and some crazy left-wingers).

And if they suffer for their political and/or personal choices, is that really a bad thing?

Note: I very much will feel terrible for the folks who can't be vaccinated for reasons beyond their control who would suffer harm and I hope the repercussions to them are minimal.
 
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The committee wasn't canceled. The meeting wasn't even canceled. It was postponed. That is literally from the posted article.
 
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The telehealth extension was going to be part of the bipartisan budget extension at the end of last year that Musk and Trump upended. It did get extended ultimately by the compromise bill that passed but only until the end of March (instead of the two-year extension that was expected to be in the budget bill that Trump/Musk killed mostly as a flex).

In the meantime, it turns out that some conservatives object to any extension that would allow Medicare patients to seek telehealth visits in another state. But there has to be some short-term extension done in March to get to the giant budget omnibus bill that the House GOP is working on, and last I saw extension of telehealth was generally expected to be included in that, but maybe not now? Either way, since no one knows if there will be an extension by April 1, telehealth visits have to be nixed after March 31 unless/until Congress passes something that extends or makes them permanent — and apparently the dust-up about out of state visits makes it harder to do as a stand-alone in the short term(???)

One of the positives from RFK Jr’s testimony to Congress was that he seemed genuinely committed to expanding telehealth and other tech options, especially in rural areas. He could have been lying but that seems to have wide bipartisan support generally (except for the out of state objections that I think sprang from the anti-abortion crowd, which is t really relevant for Medicare, but could be for Medicaid).
 
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uncgriff said:
There is zero reason to postpone this other than chicanary and you know it. The relevant scientists have had this on their calendar for over a year. Keep carrying that water
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Neither of us knows what's going on.
 
ZenMode said:
Neither of us knows what's going on.
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LOL of course we do. finger on the super ignore trigger.

Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious diseases expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tennessee, and a consultant for ACIP, said he only heard about the postponement through the news media.

“I’ve been associated with ACIP for 40 years and I don’t recall a previously postponed meeting” outside of Covid, Schaffner said. “The postponement of a routinely scheduled meeting is concerning.”
 
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