Biden pardons Hunter | Biden commutes sentences of nearly all federal death row inmates to life in prison

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ZenMode said:
Every asylum seeker, at every port of entry, HAS to cross the border illegally to request asylum. I'm not sure how that fits into your numbered classifications.
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LOL. Crossing the border to seek asylum is legal. It is specifically addressed in the statute. Why do you ramble on about things you know nothing about? I mean, literally nothing. In fact, you are REQUIRED to cross the border to request asylum.

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Obtaining Asylum in the United States | USCIS

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"To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.

You must apply for asylum within 1 year of the date of your last arrival in the United States, unless you can show:

  • Changed circumstances that materially affect your eligibility for asylum or extraordinary circumstances relating to the delay in filing; and
  • You filed within a reasonable amount of time given those circumstances.
You may apply for affirmative asylum by submitting Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, to USCIS."
 
ZenMode said:
Every asylum seeker, at every port of entry, HAS to cross the border illegally to request asylum. I'm not sure how that fits into your numbered classifications.
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I don’t understand what you are arguing, which may very well be a shortcoming on my understanding and not on your argument. In FY24, the US Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) accepted just over 100,000 asylum seekers at ports of entry. In FY24, CBP apprehended 2.1 million would-be illegal immigrants at the border, which was a 15% decrease from FY23. When people think “illegal immigration” are they not thinking “illegal, unauthorized crossing of the U.S.-Mexico border” since illegal border crossing represents the largest method of illegal immigration to the United States every year?
 
finesse said:
I expect the FBI announcement did it. Probably when he reached his FU point and decided to protect his son from these unscrupulous assholes instead of a party who has shown him no particular loyalty or appreciation. I don't much blame him. He and his has already had to deal with a lot.
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I understand that, but it flies in the face of all the "Bring the temperature down" stuff that Biden talked about after the election. When it's his kid they are dangerous, but for the rest of us we have to love our neighbors?

I don't disagree with his assessment of this situation, but if he's justified in fearing what Republicans will do then a whole lot of other people are as well.
 
ZenMode said:
Every asylum seeker, at every port of entry, HAS to cross the border illegally to request asylum. I'm not sure how that fits into your numbered classifications.
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8 USC section 1225(a):

"An alien present in the United States who has not been admitted or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters) shall be deemed for purposes of this chapter an applicant for admission."
 
CFordUNC said:
Don’t agree on principle with it in the slightest, and also don’t care in the slightest. It’s meaningless in the grand scheme of things but it’s about goddamn time the Democrats stop conducting themselves all prim and proper while the other party is completely devoid of any rules, decorum, or decency.
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All of this.
 
superrific said:
8 USC section 1225(a):

"An alien present in the United States who has not been admitted or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters) shall be deemed for purposes of this chapter an applicant for admission."
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Right. In order to be an applicant for admission at a port of entry, every applicant MUST cross the border illegally. That's the only way they can cross. CBP doesn't go into Mexico and pull asylum seekers/applicants across the border. That would be a huge international incident. Each "applicant" steps across the border illegally, is detained and that illegal step begins the asylum seeking/applicant process.
 
PandemicBlue said:
Everybody knew he would just like everybody knows why Hunter was paid all those millions, just like everybody knows why a family who has no businesses or sells any goods or even has a website needs 20 shell companies, just like everybody knows the laptop was real, just like everybody knows where the 10% for the big guy went.

If you were willing to ignore all of this corruption and vote for Biden again had he run, not even factoring in the damage done to the country by his incompetent administration (or maybe very competent if you know what the goals were), then don't say a thing about the people whom you hate for supporting Trump. You are just the opposite side of the coin you claim to hate.
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CFordUNC said:
I don’t understand what you are arguing, which may very well be a shortcoming on my understanding and not on your argument. In FY24, the US Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) accepted just over 100,000 asylum seekers at ports of entry. In FY24, CBP apprehended 2.1 million would-be illegal immigrants at the border, which was a 15% decrease from FY23. When people think “illegal immigration” are they not thinking “illegal, unauthorized crossing of the U.S.-Mexico border” since illegal border crossing represents the largest method of illegal immigration to the United States every year?
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He's in SemanticsMode.

He likes very narrow definitions that help to present his worldview.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cnn-legal-analyst-calls-hunter-175720649.html

CNN legal analyst Elie Honig called President Biden’s decision to pardon his son, Hunter, a “historic act of political nepotism.”

“There has long been a fair debate — fair on both sides — about whether Hunter Biden is being treated overly leniently or overly zealously because of his status as Joe Biden’s son,” Honig said on Monday morning on CNN.

“I think there are points to both sides of that. But what I think is not disputable is that this is a historic act of political nepotism. This is the granting of a pardon by the president to his son.”

He added that Biden’s “full and unconditional pardon” for his son is as “broad as a pardon can possibly be” because it pardons Hunter for any offenses since Jan. 1, 2014. He compared the “full and unconditional” pardon to the one President Ford granted former President Nixon as the only close precedent.

“Joe Biden even says — if you really parse his statement, he acknowledges that a substantial part of this is because Hunter Biden is his son, and that will land Joe Biden on a historic list that he probably doesn’t want to be a part of,” Honig said.

President Biden in his statement Sunday said he was issuing the pardon because his son was the subject of a political prosecution.

“There has been an effort to break Hunter – who has been five and a half years sober, even in the face of unrelenting attacks and selective prosecution,” the statement read. “In trying to break Hunter, they’ve tried to break me – and there’s no reason to believe it will stop here. Enough is enough.”

The White House argued Monday that the president issued the pardon because President-elect Trump and the GOP would not “let go” of Hunter Biden.

Hunter Biden was found guilty in June in a federal case on three felony charges over his purchase and possession of a gun in 2018, violating the law by concealing drug use. He also pleaded guilty in September to nine federal tax charges, avoiding a trial.

He was facing a sentencing hearing next week.
 
CarolinaFever said:
I see a couple more MAGAs to put on super ignore. Thanks for making yourselves known.
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Zen's not maga, he sort of stands on the fence and will take the opposite opinion of whomever will argue with him. :cool:

But, he doesn't like woke or biden or a woke biden. 😁
 
PandemicBlue said:
Everybody knew he would just like everybody knows why Hunter was paid all those millions, just like everybody knows why a family who has no businesses or sells any goods or even has a website needs 20 shell companies, just like everybody knows the laptop was real, just like everybody knows where the 10% for the big guy went.

If you were willing to ignore all of this corruption and vote for Biden again had he run, not even factoring in the damage done to the country by his incompetent administration (or maybe very competent if you know what the goals were), then don't say a thing about the people whom you hate for supporting Trump. You are just the opposite side of the coin you claim to hate.
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I'm curious, where do you get your information about the following
1) 20 shell companies [first I'm hearing of this ... is this from Fox, OANN, Newsmax?]
updates with links ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...nter-biden-car-payment-reimbursement-his-dad/
2) the 10% [of what exactly?] for the big guy
Please provide links, etc..

I realize that Hunter Biden was clearly using the Biden name to get his jobs with Burisma and in China. I think everyone understands that. Hunter's a douchebag, but I haven't yet seen evidence that Joe Biden benefited from Hunter's career. Please provide.
 
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ZenMode said:
Right. In order to be an applicant for admission at a port of entry, every applicant MUST cross the border illegally. That's the only way they can cross. CBP doesn't go into Mexico and pull asylum seekers/applicants across the border. That would be a huge international incident. Each "applicant" steps across the border illegally, is detained and that illegal step begins the asylum seeking/applicant process.
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No, it is not illegal to step across the border to seek asylum. If you think it is, please provide a citation to anything backing you up. Because I already cited the guidance from USCIS and quoted the damn statute. Here's another relevant statute, 8 USC 1325, labeled "improper entry by alien"

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.


Note that any alien who does not do any of 1), 2) or 3) is therefore not illegally entering. Notice the specific permission given to enter or attempt to enter as designated by immigration officers. Given that the rule I cited previously was authored by immigration officers, and is the official statement of policy with regard to immigration officers, it's settled. You are quite simply incorrect.
 
ZenMode said:
For historical documentation.....
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Indeed. Once again, you are wrong. Once again, you spouted off without even bothering to consult any source. You could have googled "illegal entry defined" but you chose not to. You just ran your fucking mouth. Again. And you were wrong. Again.
 
"...as Democratic Rep. Greg Stanton of Arizona told NBC News’ “Meet the Press Now” on Monday, plays against years of core Democratic Party policy positioning — and into the way President-elect Donald Trump and his allies have described his investigations and prosecutions.

“I’m pretty angry because it’s going to be incredibly important that political leaders of both parties stand up for the independence of the Department of Justice, stand up to these attacks suggesting that the Department of Justice has become politicized and needs to be dismantled or the FBI needs to be dismantled,” Stanton said. (See more from Stanton below.)

Trump, in response to Biden’s action, raised the issue of the defendants and people convicted of violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, when he was pushing to overturn the 2020 election results.

“Does the Pardon given by Joe to Hunter include the J-6 Hostages, who have now been imprisoned for years? Such an abuse and miscarriage of Justice!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

Special counsel David Weiss’s office on Monday appeared to push back on Biden’s claim that its prosecutions of Hunter Biden were politically motivated, calling such allegations “baseless.” In a court filing challenging Hunter Biden’s request to have his California tax and fraud indictment dismissed in light of his father’s pardon, Weiss noted that a number of judges had already rejected the younger Biden’s claims of vindictive prosecution.

While a handful of members of Congress have spoken out about the pardon so far, one notable group has been silent — those Democrats seen as early possibilities to run for president in 2028.
 
superrific said:
No, it is not illegal to step across the border to seek asylum. If you think it is, please provide a citation to anything backing you up. Because I already cited the guidance from USCIS and quoted the damn statute. Here's another relevant statute, 8 USC 1325, labeled "improper entry by alien"

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.


Note that any alien who does not do any of 1), 2) or 3) is therefore not illegally entering. Notice the specific permission given to enter or attempt to enter as designated by immigration officers. Given that the rule I cited previously was authored by immigration officers, and is the official statement of policy with regard to immigration officers, it's settled. You are quite simply incorrect.
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Guy, you created a thread to complain about someone spamming this thread with irrelevant information/posts. Yet, here you are, going on and on, back and forth, about a topic that is not relevant to this thread.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Guy, you created a thread to complain about someone spamming this thread with irrelevant information/posts. Yet, here you are, going on and on, back and forth, about a topic that is not relevant to this thread.
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Guy, do you not understand the difference between engaging in a conversation with another person and posting 19 times in a row for no purpose other than flaming? It really only takes a moment's thought -- heck, half a moment's thought -- to see the obvious fallacy. Try taking a moment before posting.
 
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