Biden pardons Hunter | Biden commutes sentences of nearly all federal death row inmates to life in prison

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lawtig02 said:
Really? You want to keep spending taxpayer dollars to investigate a nonpolitician who can't be charged with a crime regardless of what the investigation turns up? That surprises me.
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How does it even work? What is there to investigate if there are no chargeable crimes?
BlooVooDoo said:
If the executive cannot specify the crimes, it raises serious doubt that they know the full extent of potential crimes. That ought to be a prerequisite for a pardon.
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Not really. Lawyers execute blanket waivers all the time. You've probably signed contracts waiving all legal claims of any variety against your counterparty. There are some lawyers who can speak to this more concretely, but usually settlements also obtain "global peace" -- i.e. that there will be no further lawsuits arising out of the conduct at issue.

This is a global peace pardon. It just clears the air. It doesn't mean anything else. Ford gave a blanket pardon to Nixon because he didn't want investigations to continue at the special counsel level. It's not because he thought Nixon killed someone in 1971 -- at least as far as I know.

Now, if you don't like the idea of a blanket pardon, that's fine and a defensible position but SCOTUS has made clear that pardon power is essentially unlimited.
 
superrific said:
How does it even work? What is there to investigate if there are no chargeable crimes?

Not really. Lawyers execute blanket waivers all the time. You've probably signed contracts waiving all legal claims of any variety against your counterparty. There are some lawyers who can speak to this more concretely, but usually settlements also obtain "global peace" -- i.e. that there will be no further lawsuits arising out of the conduct at issue.

This is a global peace pardon. It just clears the air. It doesn't mean anything else. Ford gave a blanket pardon to Nixon because he didn't want investigations to continue at the special counsel level. It's not because he thought Nixon killed someone in 1971 -- at least as far as I know.

Now, if you don't like the idea of a blanket pardon, that's fine and a defensible position but SCOTUS has made clear that pardon power is essentially unlimited.
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I understand. It just feels like a blank check.
 
I was sent a YouTube video of clips of CNN/MSNBC really heaping on the praise based on Biden's repeated statements regarding not pardoning his son. I had no idea what a big deal this was. There has to be a lot of people who feel like put their necks out and got burned.
 
I would feel that way if someone with a long term vendetta against his son wasn't given the position, opportunity and encouragement to pursue it. Fuck that noise.
 
Callatoroy said:
So why didn't joe pardon him for those acts specifically, like most pardons. Why did he have to write a Nixon type blanket pardon going back to 2014? Of course we know why. And all this time, you guys thought it was trump who was the threat to democracy.
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This post is straight up bullshit and you know it.
 
ZenMode said:
There has to be a lot of people who feel like put their necks out and got burned.
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Indeed, and most of them voted for Trump. The leopards aren't going to be eating Dems' faces. We've already seen the Dearborn folks realize they've been had.
 
superrific said:
"They are particularly red flags when you're the son a the VP on the United States. You seem to not be aware of the millions of dollars he received from China days after the now-infamous "I'm sitting next to my father" messages and the subsequent (and rapid) movement of the that money to other companies."

If you are talking about Hunter raising money for his investment fund, then that behavior is 100% expected. It's the norm, not an exception.

See, here's what you don't know about how private equity works: a private equity fund is not a single organization. Rather, the private equity fund manager (e.g. Apollo, KKR) creates lots of small LLCs or LPs. Sometimes there is one per fundraising round; sometimes one per client, or one for a handful of clients; and sometimes one or a handful for a single invested company. The fund manager then acts as a GP for those funds, and charges management fees.

For instance, I've seen the org chart for a Goldman Sachs private equity fund, because I filed HSR notifications for them. There are literally dozens of subsidiaries of that one. KKR has literally hundreds upon hundreds of them -- and that was many years ago. There are probably thousands now.

So for Hunter Biden to be moving money around different accounts is normal. And this is why it helps to know things before forming judgments.
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Hookers and blow are now considered investments?
 
Callatoroy said:
No, a realization that I'm discussing something with someone who isn't acting in good faith so no use. Was happy to see that it looks like the investigations into hunter and the biden criminal organization will continue despite the pardon. I think the special counsel said he would like to continue with it despite not being able to sentence him. As long as the truth comes out I will be satisfied. Hope you will be to so that words like "we all know why" won't be needed any more.
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Just when I thought it safe to remove you from Super Ignore, you have to go and remind me of why I ignored you in the first place. I swear, that fake propaganda network has some mighty, potent Kool-aid. You aren't going to be satisfied unless Biden and his family are harassed and investigated until the friggin cows come home. The entire MAGAT community couldn't give two shits about the truth. You guys have given up on it and keep sucking at the tit of disinformation and straight-up lies, believing that your orange savior is going to "drain the swamp" finally. I have lost all patience with you and your ilk. I've tried to be the bigger person, but your insistence on living in a fantasy world where the Biden cabal is the root of all evil is just fucking stupid. Hell, I'd have better luck convincing a shit ton of Dookies that the "Brotherhood" is real and not some made-up bullshit to persuade themselves that all the one-and-done players give a damn about Dook.
 
superrific said:
Indeed, and most of them voted for Trump. The leopards aren't going to be eating Dems' faces. We've already seen the Dearborn folks realize they've been had.
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Definition
Whataboutism is a rhetorical device that involves responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation, asking a different question, or raising a different issue.
 
Callatoroy said:
So why didn't joe pardon him for those acts specifically, like most pardons. Why did he have to write a Nixon type blanket pardon going back to 2014? Of course we know why. And all this time, you guys thought it was trump who was the threat to democracy.
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I was talking about the Fox News/Rupert Murdoch misinformation crisis, not Dotard.
Dotard.
 
Hunter should not have been pardoned. Yet another example in a long list of abuse of pardon powers and why we would be better off without it. There are so many pardons that are political payoffs, bailing out friends/supporters, and now family.

Did they go after Hunter for lying about a gun purchase while a druggie, simply because Pops was POTUS? Sure. But Hunter also got tremendous perks as Biden's son, very high paying useless gigs on boards of foreign companies. Can't have it both ways, unless Daddy is Prez.

Trump will also make a disgrace out of pardon powers, not just for himself and his inner circle of cultist filth, but also the J6 wackos.
 


www.nbcnews.com

Hunter Biden pardon fuels Trump's 'weaponization' arguments

Trump's team pointed to President Joe Biden's pardon of his son, saying it showed that Trump's "promise to end the weaponization of our justice system needs to happen."
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finesse said:
I would feel that way if someone with a long term vendetta against his son wasn't given the position, opportunity and encouragement to pursue it. Fuck that noise.
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Shortly after taking office, Biden opted to keep Weiss on the job and the investigation open. It's biden's doj that he is saying is weaponized.
 
That doesn't have a thing to do with what I said. Why quote me? You have to be dense to make a connection.
 
ZenMode said:
Definition
Whataboutism is a rhetorical device that involves responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation, asking a different question, or raising a different issue.
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My point was that nobody on the Dem side is "burned" by this, because nobody voted for Joe Biden because he wasn't going to pardon Hunter. It's not whataboutism. It's making fun of your attempt at turning a nothingburger into an equivalence.

Family members have been pardoned before. They will be pardoned again. There's nothing particularly newsworthy.
 
tarheel931 said:
Just when I thought it safe to remove you from Super Ignore, you have to go and remind me of why I ignored you in the first place. I swear, that fake propaganda network has some mighty, potent Kool-aid. You aren't going to be satisfied unless Biden and his family are harassed and investigated until the friggin cows come home. The entire MAGAT community couldn't give two shits about the truth. You guys have given up on it and keep sucking at the tit of disinformation and straight-up lies, believing that your orange savior is going to "drain the swamp" finally. I have lost all patience with you and your ilk. I've tried to be the bigger person, but your insistence on living in a fantasy world where the Biden cabal is the root of all evil is just fucking stupid. Hell, I'd have better luck convincing a shit ton of Dookies that the "Brotherhood" is real and not some made-up bullshit to persuade themselves that all the one-and-done players give a damn about Dook.
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I could have written almost the same exact paragraph during the trump first election and term. I mean you guys were frothing and rabid about russia, russia, russia. Can't wait until he is in jail was the theme. Any of that sound familiar at all? You don't see any similarities?
 
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