Biden pardons Hunter | Biden commutes sentences of nearly all federal death row inmates to life in prison

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“… The three men who can still face federal execution are Robert D. Bowers, 52, who in 2018 gunned down 11 worshipers at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh; Dylann Roof, 30, the white supremacist who in 2015 opened fire on Black parishioners at a church in Charleston, S.C., killing nine people; and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 31, one of the two brothers who carried out the bombing of the Boston Marathon in 2013 that killed three and maimed more than a dozen others. …”
 
finesse said:
If this is a matter of principle, he should alter all the sentences to life without parole. It's not like that's particularly kinder than the death penalty.
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Isn’t that what he did? Or are you objecting to the three exceptions made?
 
nycfan said:
Isn’t that what he did? Or are you objecting to the three exceptions made?
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More that I'm puzzled by it. I don't much believe in the death penalty because it's so unfairly administered but I'm not much opposed because I don't particularly believe in the sanctity of human life so I don't see a good reason for a Gacy or Bundy to live. It's just that if you oppose it on principle, making exceptions doesn't make any sense to me. As I said, life imprisonment with no chance of parole is not exactly a slap on the wrist.
 
finesse said:
More that I'm puzzled by it. I don't much believe in the death penalty because it's so unfairly administered but I'm not much opposed because I don't particularly believe in the sanctity of human life so I don't see a good reason for a Gacy or Bundy to live. It's just that if you oppose it on principle, making exceptions doesn't make any sense to me. As I said, life imprisonment with no chance of parole is not exactly a slap on the wrist.
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Well the exceptions were "mass murderers " I get it
 
finesse said:
More that I'm puzzled by it. I don't much believe in the death penalty because it's so unfairly administered but I'm not much opposed because I don't particularly believe in the sanctity of human life so I don't see a good reason for a Gacy or Bundy to live. It's just that if you oppose it on principle, making exceptions doesn't make any sense to me. As I said, life imprisonment with no chance of parole is not exactly a slap on the wrist.
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Principle......... but with political considerations?
 
finesse said:
More that I'm puzzled by it. I don't much believe in the death penalty because it's so unfairly administered but I'm not much opposed because I don't particularly believe in the sanctity of human life so I don't see a good reason for a Gacy or Bundy to live. It's just that if you oppose it on principle, making exceptions doesn't make any sense to me. As I said, life imprisonment with no chance of parole is not exactly a slap on the wrist.
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There are actually zero reasons to be for the death penalty. By this I mean reasons outside of depravity and psychopathy.

* It costs more, often far more on average than life in prison
* It actually does not bring quote, "closure," unquote, to victims (what outsiders actually mean by this is often revenge, though many do not put it in honest terms)
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The Closure Myth

Proponents claim that the death penalty brings closure to the families of murder victims. But countless families of murder victims experience greater trauma at the hands of this lengthy and complex process.
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* It is not "justice," especially and obviously in bringing no dead victim(s) back to life, nor in other ways, and hugely applied in a myriad of unjust ways
* It is zero deterrence -- probably the biggest myth that has been promoted about it over time
* It is not actually the best revenge, if that is what you want, and that is in fact what most supporters want out of it. Life in prison is a continual and cumulative torture over an extended period. Death is the elimination of that torture.

Fun facts: America joins China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt as the main countries of execution. A third of recent American executions were botched in some way. More than 60 global pharmaceutical companies won't allow their drugs to be used in capital punishment. With no reliable access, Idaho, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Utah and South Carolina have passed laws to allow prisoners to choose to die by firing squad as an alternative. Recent use of nitrogen gas is functionally identical to putting a plastic bag over someone's head to kill them.
 
Seems some want to have it both ways. Support capital punishment but do everything they can to prevent it.
Biden probably doesn't know all the pardons he is signing, and to think we have another month of this.
 
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I genuinely believe that Trump cannot fathom opposition to the death penalty generally or these commutations in particular (which deprive him of the pleasure of gearing up the federal death penalty apparatus at full steam after taking office).
 
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I have siblings , children , grandchildren , a partner I live with..If one of them were murdered I would not "wish" the death penalty for "justice". I know folks that would want to witness the injection
I don't claim any moral high ground or anything.It just seems like widening the pain?????/
 
chrissteel said:
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www.syracuse.com

Killer of Syracuse cop Wallie Howard, set free by Trump, faces possible return to prison

Jaime Davidson was convicted of choking his wife in Florida.
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The man who former President Donald Trump released from life in prison for his role in killing a Syracuse cop has been convicted in Florida of choking his wife. He’s now fighting efforts to return him to federal prison.

Nearly four years ago, Trump commuted Jaime A. Davidson’s life sentence after Davidson served 28 years in prison for the 1990 murder of Syracuse Police Officer Wallie Howard Jr.
 
The ends don’t justify the means.

“Somebody—we actually don’t know who is running the office of the president—decided to have the president pretend to consider these 37 cases and put his signature or the auto pen on the commutations of the 37 death sentences. That same somebody or group of somebodies also decided that three cases were too outrageous even for this White House to be indifferent to. Thus the gang running the White House couldn’t even see that the setting aside of the three would draw more attention and not less to the abuse of power and the underlying incapacity of the president in whose name it was done.”

Why arbitrarily omit the other three? What about the families of the victims? This is just another stain on Biden.
 
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