Biden pardons Hunter | Biden commutes sentences of nearly all federal death row inmates to life in prison

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Callatoroy said:
The ends don’t justify the means.

“Somebody—we actually don’t know who is running the office of the president—decided to have the president pretend to consider these 37 cases and put his signature or the auto pen on the commutations of the 37 death sentences. That same somebody or group of somebodies also decided that three cases were too outrageous even for this White House to be indifferent to. Thus the gang running the White House couldn’t even see that the setting aside of the three would draw more attention and not less to the abuse of power and the underlying incapacity of the president in whose name it was done.”

Why arbitrarily omit the other three? What about the families of the victims? This is just another stain on Biden.
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Clearly he is ok with killing three. Of course nobody knows why it’s ok for those three. I think most reasonable people can guess why. The left is in such a hypocritical mess it should shut them up for decades but they are so immune to hypocritical embarrassment that they wallow in it like a pig in shit.
 
Callatoroy said:
Clearly he is ok with killing three. Of course nobody knows why it’s ok for those three. I think most reasonable people can guess why. The left is in such a hypocritical mess it should shut them up for decades but they are so immune to hypocritical embarrassment that they wallow in it like a pig in shit.
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What's your take? Would you kill all of them? None of them?

I'm single issue on this. With the relatively high wrongful conviction rate, which is barely tolerable at one, I don't like the death penalty. I don't see that it's a greater deterrent or punishment than life without parole and , if it is, the difference isn't worth the no do overs.
 
Callatoroy said:
Clearly he is ok with killing three. Of course nobody knows why it’s ok for those three. I think most reasonable people can guess why. The left is in such a hypocritical mess it should shut them up for decades but they are so immune to hypocritical embarrassment that they wallow in it like a pig in shit.
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The three are rather extreme examples , mass murderers etc. Thats the reason. You don't have to agree but it is the reason. Is it "political"-sure
 
finesse said:
I'm single issue on this. With the relatively high wrongful conviction rate, which is barely tolerable at one, I don't like the death penalty. I don't see that it's a greater deterrent or punishment than life without parole and , if it is, the difference isn't worth the no do overs.
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Agreed. The justice system cannot reach a level of certainty that justifies such a serious and irreversible penalty. The state has executed innocent people. The only way to be sure that doesn't happen is to stop executing people.
 
Callatoroy said:
Clearly he is ok with killing three. Of course nobody knows why it’s ok for those three. I think most reasonable people can guess why. The left is in such a hypocritical mess it should shut them up for decades but they are so immune to hypocritical embarrassment that they wallow in it like a pig in shit.
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Sure we do. He told us why.

apnews.com

Biden gives life in prison to 37 of 40 federal death row inmates before Trump can resume executions

The move spares the lives of people convicted in killings, including the slayings of police and military officers, people on federal land and those involved in deadly bank robberies or drug deals.
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“I’ve dedicated my career to reducing violent crime and ensuring a fair and effective justice system,” Biden said in a statement. “Today, I am commuting the sentences of 37 of the 40 individuals on federal death row to life sentences without the possibility of parole. These commutations are consistent with the moratorium my administration has imposed on federal executions, in cases other than terrorism and hate-motivated mass murder.”

To be clear, I’m not stanning for Biden on this. I think the death penalty should be unconstitutional across the board (I certainly think it’s immoral), but I’m still not sure this is a justifiable use of Biden’s pardon/clemency powers. But he did tell us why these three were excepted.
 
lawtig02 said:
Sure we do. He told us why.

apnews.com

Biden gives life in prison to 37 of 40 federal death row inmates before Trump can resume executions

The move spares the lives of people convicted in killings, including the slayings of police and military officers, people on federal land and those involved in deadly bank robberies or drug deals.
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“I’ve dedicated my career to reducing violent crime and ensuring a fair and effective justice system,” Biden said in a statement. “Today, I am commuting the sentences of 37 of the 40 individuals on federal death row to life sentences without the possibility of parole. These commutations are consistent with the moratorium my administration has imposed on federal executions, in cases other than terrorism and hate-motivated mass murder.”

To be clear, I’m not stanning for Biden on this. I think the death penalty should be unconstitutional across the board (I certainly think it’s immoral), but I’m still not sure this is a justifiable use of Biden’s pardon/clemency powers. But he did tell us why these three were excepted.
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Thanks. I hadn't seen that statement and it answers my question.
 
mpaer said:
The three are rather extreme examples , mass murderers etc. Thats the reason. You don't have to agree but it is the reason. Is it "political"-sure
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There is no logic to it. He hasn't led an effort to repeal the DP in federal cases. Its completely random and not likely his doing. The office of potus is being completely run by appointees which is completely anti-democratic. F the families. F the law (remember how the left was all about the rule of law until it wasn't). F democracy (remember how the left was all about democracy until it wasn't). That is the biden administration. Not saying that is your opinion, just how its playing out. So when trump does similar things, and he will, this board shouldn't be all up in arms, but it certainly will.
 
lawtig02 said:
Sure we do. He told us why.

apnews.com

Biden gives life in prison to 37 of 40 federal death row inmates before Trump can resume executions

The move spares the lives of people convicted in killings, including the slayings of police and military officers, people on federal land and those involved in deadly bank robberies or drug deals.
apnews.com apnews.com

“I’ve dedicated my career to reducing violent crime and ensuring a fair and effective justice system,” Biden said in a statement. “Today, I am commuting the sentences of 37 of the 40 individuals on federal death row to life sentences without the possibility of parole. These commutations are consistent with the moratorium my administration has imposed on federal executions, in cases other than terrorism and hate-motivated mass murder.”

To be clear, I’m not stanning for Biden on this. I think the death penalty should be unconstitutional across the board (I certainly think it’s immoral), but I’m still not sure this is a justifiable use of Biden’s pardon/clemency powers. But he did tell us why these three were excepted.
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I had not seen that as well. While it provides an official statement, it falls woefully short in how it was executed and will forever remain a f you to the families and rule of law. Its also bs regarding "ensuring a fair and effective justice system". You are against killing someone because there is a small chance they might be innocent, but ok with putting them in prison for life without the possibility of parole. That's some warped logic.
 
Ramrouser said:
You may not like Don Jr., Ivanka, Eric, Tiffany or Barren but they seem to be well adjusted, successful individuals who are not addicted to crack/cocaine and don't spend $$$ whoring around town filming themselves. I don't recall any serious legal issues involving the Trump kids. His children have great children as well.
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WTF?
 
The DP should only be used when there is no doubt who did it. Period.
It baffles me that people are against the DP yet for abortion.
I've never heard any person that said "I'm gonna have a fetus!!"
 
Callatoroy said:
You are against killing someone because there is a small chance they might be innocent, but ok with putting them in prison for life without the possibility of parole. That's some warped logic.
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It's not. If evidence comes to light exonerating the person, they can be released from prison and compensated. They cannot be brought back from the dead.
 
Yosef said:
The DP should only be used when there is no doubt who did it. Period.
It baffles me that people are against the DP yet for abortion.
I've never heard any person that said "I'm gonna have a fetus!!"
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Because nobody has a fetus. By the time it’s born it is a baby, but when abortions occur it’s still a fetus (or an embryo). Nobody says they are having a sperm and egg either, but that’s step one of the process.
 
Would not be surprised if Trump tries to reverse these commutations when he gets in office. Don't know if that's possible but with this Supreme Court, anything seems possible...
 
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