Biden pardons Hunter | Biden commutes sentences of nearly all federal death row inmates to life in prison

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superrific said:
I tend to agree with you about the pardon power, but it should be remembered that governors have them too. Given that, we have to consider it a form of executive action, I think. Not monarchical. Just a power sometimes given to political executives (I believe the pardon power exists in other countries as well).

I do think the American understanding has a significant flaw, whether or not I agree with pardoning at all -- and that's the idea that pardoning is inherent in the notion of sovereignty. As I understand it, the drafters in Philly included a pardon power because they thought it was an inherent power of a state, whether monarchy, republic, democracy or whatever. And so that gives us this expansive notion of pardoning, and thus the idea that it is final, absolute, irrevocable, unlimitable, and per SCOTUS this summer, inviolable. That seems wrong.
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Don't we have to use the pardon power to effectuate prisoner exchanges with other countries? How else can Biden trade a Russian arms deal for Brittney Griner?
 
lawtig02 said:
Biden accomplished some great things. He also majorly screwed up the most important decision he made, which was whether he could keep Donald Trump out of the White House. I’ll give him credit forever for what he did, but I’ll also call a spade when it comes to his flaws and mistakes. He’s been a great dad to Hunter from what I can tell. But he can’t be a dad when he makes a decision about issuing a pardon. He has to be the president, and I don’t see any possible way this pardon is justified. The fact that Trump will be a million times worse is of no relevance to me on this issue.
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And this, folks, is how a piece of shit like Trump can get anywhere near the White House.
 
Batt Boy said:
The Trump justice department, rank and file, will not work for Trump. He may put in acolytes in leadership position, but the man and woman doing the work in the field will not do his biding.
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Maybe not directly, but many will resign or be fired. And those nut jobs in leadership positions have the ability to kill cases looking into any Trump allies (like investigations into Musk for securities fraud that are allegedly ongoing), or direct resources to investigate nonsense (like investigating the 2020 election which they’ve already said is a priority for them).
 
superrific said:
selective prosecution is one of the more well-recognized justifications for a pardon. That's what Biden cited. On that front, he's not wrong.
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I disagree with Biden pardoning him. Having said that, what has changed since Biden said he would not pardon him? (Related to the trial, etc.?)
 
Mundial said:
Lawtig still thinking under the old rules, the rules of Queensberry no longer apply, the rule of law no longer applies, we are in social media influencer makes right world.
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Simply because the other side are pieces of shit, cheats, is not reason enough to abandon your principles or character. Should Mack have sent out a lineman to break the leg of a State player because they did it to Kaimon? It seems like many here would say yes. I disagree.
 
I didn't blame Biden for doing it. I would pardon my child for almost anything if I could.
IMO I think Biden is also giving the middle finger to the Democratic party for them forcing him out of reelection knowing the Republicans will run with this to gain political points. It's an up yours in a way. I may be wrong here but who knows what he's thinking.
 
Well, well, well, just got back from Gladiator II and see this news. I don’t care about this pardon but it is delicious seeing all of you engage in pretzel logic justifying a President pardoning his ne’er-do-well son when he repeatedly promised he wouldn’t.

What happened to “no man is above the law?”

As I said weeks ago, I think it would have been better for the Country for Trump to issue this pardon.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
What is Hunter going to possibly be pardoned for? Stuff that was on his laptop or other stuff? I haven’t been able to follow the circuses about the Trump cases and Hunter Biden cases, so forgive my ignorance.
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Felony convictions for tax evasion and lying on a firearms application.
 
BubbaOtis said:
Looks legit.. excluding spelling..
www.nbcnews.com

President Biden set to issue a pardon of his son Hunter Biden

The president is expected to announce his decision Sunday night, according to a senior White House official.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

Anybody want to step up to defend this?
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trump pardoned Charles Kushner then appointed him US Ambassador to France. trump pardoned a man who murdered a police officer. He's said he's going to pardon all the J6 criminals. Maybe you should sit this one out.
 
I have no problem with the pardon. Biden shouldn't have said he wouldn't pardon his son. If Hunter's last name was Jones, his plea would have been accepted and he wouldn't have gone to trial. Time served, if any, would have been negligible. Given the evidence of the cases and Hunter's contrition, this was clearly a corrupt, selective prosecution. This was a no-brainer for a pardon. But for Biden's political aspirations, this pardon should have been issued in the summer of 2023.
 
korgguy1971 said:
This is exactly my take on it as well. There's also the added and already documented threats of political retribution by Trump et al.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but it is noteworthy that Trump previously pardoned Charles Kushner - for witness tampering and making illegal campaign contributions - who has recently been chosen by Trump to be the ambassador to France.

I don't approve but I can understand why he did it. In any other universe or convergence of circumstances, it probably wouldn't have even been considered.
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Hypocrite. boSides
 
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