Congress Catch-All | House passes CR, no debt ceiling change

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President Musk is not only cutting cancer research for kids, next up is significant cuts to Social security and Medicare
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'They're coming for your Social Security': Alarms raised by new GOP funding plan

Alarms are being raised about new details of Republicans' new plan to keep the government open that experts say will inevitably involve cuts to Social Security and Medicare.Punchbowl News' Jake Sherman reported on Friday that Republican leaders were floating an agreement "that House Republicans...
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heelinhell said:
President Musk is not only cutting cancer research for kids, next up is significant cuts to Social security and Medicare
www.rawstory.com

'They're coming for your Social Security': Alarms raised by new GOP funding plan

Alarms are being raised about new details of Republicans' new plan to keep the government open that experts say will inevitably involve cuts to Social Security and Medicare.Punchbowl News' Jake Sherman reported on Friday that Republican leaders were floating an agreement "that House Republicans...
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I need to pull my MAGA siblings aside at our family Christmas dinner tomorrow to try to help them understand that we are possibly going to have to be ready to help our parents financially soon. They barely make it month to month on what they pull in the SS.
 
1moretimeagain said:
I wonder if Trump will notice Elon got what he wanted out of the bill while Trump did not.
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Yep. This whole thing was a huge success for Elon, a big loss for Trump, and an absolute embarrassment for congressional Republicans. I see a lot more of that coming in the future. Congressional Dems did fine and if they can stick together, they’ll have many, many more opportunities to be the adults in the room.
 
heelinhell said:
President Musk is not only cutting cancer research for kids, next up is significant cuts to Social security and Medicare
www.rawstory.com

'They're coming for your Social Security': Alarms raised by new GOP funding plan

Alarms are being raised about new details of Republicans' new plan to keep the government open that experts say will inevitably involve cuts to Social Security and Medicare.Punchbowl News' Jake Sherman reported on Friday that Republican leaders were floating an agreement "that House Republicans...
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You know, pork
 
TitanNC said:
I need to pull my MAGA siblings aside at our family Christmas dinner tomorrow to try to help them understand that we are possibly going to have to be ready to help our parents financially soon. They barely make it month to month on what they pull in the SS.
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Live in power, my friend. If anything is consistent about my maga milieu it’s
1a) Grievance.
1b) Irresponsible.
2) Selfish. Often pathologically so.
 
The President Musk thing is funny I guess. I’d like to see more elected officials emphasize how we’ve arrived at a moment where the richest man in the world is controlling one of the major parties in the U.S. by himself. It’s literally oligarchy more so than just haha President Musk funny make orange man mad.
 
Paine said:
The President Musk thing is funny I guess. I’d like to see more elected officials emphasize how we’ve arrived at a moment where the richest man in the world is controlling one of the major parties in the U.S. by himself. It’s literally oligarchy more so than just haha President Musk funny make orange man mad.
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Both/and scenario, imo. Antagonizing ttump sows the seeds of chaos in the GQP. That’s good. Have loads of backbench and prominent antagonists take on this role on morning shows and legacy media, while the articulate, thoughtful, future leaders (eg AOC, Jeffries) hammer the oligarchy on the pods, YouTube channels, insta, TikTok, etc.
 
HeelingAg said:
Both/and scenario, imo. Antagonizing ttump sows the seeds of chaos in the GQP. That’s good. Have loads of backbench and prominent antagonists take on this role on morning shows and legacy media, while the articulate, thoughtful, future leaders (eg AOC, Jeffries) hammer the oligarchy on the pods, YouTube channels, insta, TikTok, etc.
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Yeah, that makes sense. I just really hope the oligarchy message filters through. Painting the Republicans as beholden to billionaires and not regular working Americans has to be a key piece of Democratic strategy and messaging going forward. It can’t just be window dressing either while many Dems take the same positions. There has to be a real distinction made and emphasized.
 
Paine said:
Yeah, that makes sense. I just really hope the oligarchy message filters through. Painting the Republicans as beholden to billionaires and not regular working Americans has to be a key piece of Democratic strategy and messaging going forward. It can’t just be window dressing either while many Dems take the same positions. There has to be a real distinction made and emphasized.
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While I agree with you, the people who need to hear it are too stupid to understand it. The looks on the faces of MAGA family members when I utter the word Oligarchy tells me everything.
 
dukeman92 said:
While I agree with you, the people who need to hear it are too stupid to understand it. The looks on the faces of MAGA family members when I utter the word Oligarchy tells me everything.
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Well, you have to tell it in a way people will understand. I wouldn’t necessarily even use the word oligarchy.

That being said, I’m less concerned about swaying MAGAs than I am turning people who have been disengaged with politics because they know the system isn’t working for them.
 
ZenMode said:
This might just be a difference in how we view the term overthrow or overthrown. It would be the result of a successful insurrection.

Overthrowing the government, in my mind, involves an uprising, rioting and violence.

Let's say that we lived in an alternate world where insanity ruled and Trump was actually successful with some of his 90 or 100 lawsuits. Let's say that enough judges ruled, because of violations of state constitutions, that specific ballots/votes should be thrown out and that resulted in Trump actually being declared the winner of the 2020 election. I wouldn't describe that as the government being overthrown. I would describe it as one of the darkest days for democracy, but not an actual overthrowing of the government.

January 6th, for a very small percentage of the rioters, may have been an attempted insurrection or overthrowing up the government. I'm not even convinced that's the case because there is simply no way that a group of unarmed people was going to overthrow the government. Even if they were armed with AR-15s, they weren't going to overthrow the government. It may have taken longer to resolve the situation, but the certification would have eventually been completed.
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Your chances of success has nothing to do with the charges for the crimes you attempted to commit. You don't even have to fully understand what you're doing. So quit with the "you're not convinced" bullshit. It's irrelevant to anything whatsoever what the odds were. It's what their actions were. That includes the conspiracies and such.
 
ZenMode said:
This might just be a difference in how we view the term overthrow or overthrown. It would be the result of a successful insurrection.

Overthrowing the government, in my mind, involves an uprising, rioting and violence.

Let's say that we lived in an alternate world where insanity ruled and Trump was actually successful with some of his 90 or 100 lawsuits. Let's say that enough judges ruled, because of violations of state constitutions, that specific ballots/votes should be thrown out and that resulted in Trump actually being declared the winner of the 2020 election. I wouldn't describe that as the government being overthrown. I would describe it as one of the darkest days for democracy, but not an actual overthrowing of the government.

January 6th, for a very small percentage of the rioters, may have been an attempted insurrection or overthrowing up the government. I'm not even convinced that's the case because there is simply no way that a group of unarmed people was going to overthrow the government. Even if they were armed with AR-15s, they weren't going to overthrow the government. It may have taken longer to resolve the situation, but the certification would have eventually been completed.
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So, if Trump thwarted the will of the people somehow and was able to stay in power, you wouldn’t take up arms against what would by definition be a tyrannical government?
In other words, there would be violence as a result of the situation you described. And rightly so.
 
"... But even with a shutdown averted, the episode demonstrated a well-established pattern by Mr. Trump. He often purposely blew up congressional negotiations during his first term, often with a tweet, only to be forced to retreat or give up his position in the face of an angry reaction from both allies and adversaries.

In 2018, Mr. Trump told lawmakers in the Oval Office that he would be “proud” to shut the government down if he did not get funding for a wall along the southern border. After a 35-day shutdown that extended through Christmas and New Year’s Day, Mr. Trump relented, agreeing to Democratic demands without getting the funding for his wall.

“There were certainly plenty of times where he went off script, but there were always people around who could rush to the White House get it resolved,” said Brendan Buck, who served as a top aide to House Speaker Paul Ryan during Mr. Trump’s first term. “This feels a little different, like it’s just sort of this voice-of-God Twitter account that is directing things.”

Still, Mr. Trump has benefited politically over the long run by seeking to bend lawmakers to his will. His supporters returned him to the White House in the election this year in part to resume that effort, but with Republicans in control of both chambers of Congress and a president who has a better understanding of how Washington works. ..."

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Trump Wanted Shutdown to Happen on Biden’s Watch, Not His

The president-elect was eager to evade responsibility for the consequences of a potential shutdown even as he blew up a bipartisan deal that would have kept the government open.
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finesse said:
Your chances of success has nothing to do with the charges for the crimes you attempted to commit. You don't even have to fully understand what you're doing. So quit with the "you're not convinced" bullshit. It's irrelevant to anything whatsoever what the odds were. It's what their actions were. That includes the conspiracies and such.
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There is a perfectly good J6 thread to use for this discussion ... Jan 6 thread
 

Trump said to see Elon Musk as useful activist after spending deal showdown​

Musk’s role in government shutdown drama could be a preview of role he plays for incoming president next year

"... Behind the scenes, even though Trump did not get his own demand for Republicans to raise the debt ceiling, the president-elect suggested Musk’s performance showed he could be a useful catalyst of activity once he takes office and leads the so-called “Department of Government Efficiency”.

... But although House Democrats mocked Trump as acting like the vice-president with Musk as the president, in an attempt to get under his skin, the extended honeymoon between the two men has continued – in another notable shift for Trump, whose political alliances often lack for longevity.

In Trump’s first term, Trump parted ways with his chief strategist Steve Bannon after he was depicted in the media as the puppeteer of the Oval Office. (One Saturday Night Live skit featured Bannon as the grim reaper standing behind Trump and calling shots in the White House).

The same has not been true for Musk, the people said, mainly because the dynamics are different: as the world’s richest man, Musk has commanded special status with Trump, who has separately liked the idea of having him as his attack dog, while Bannon was always seen as a staffer.

Still, many House Republicans have been left deeply frustrated by what they see as Musk meddling in congressional affairs. Musk was not elected to any office and also bought his way into Trump’s orbit by spending roughly $250m to boost his presidential campaign.

Multiple members complained bitterly about Musk’s influence over them as they found themselves glued to his X account between spending-deal meetings in an acknowledgement that Musk’s willingness to drop colossal amounts of cash made his threats of primary challenges a legitimate concern. ..."

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Trump said to see Elon Musk as useful activist after spending deal showdown

Musk’s role in government shutdown drama could be a preview of role he plays for incoming president next year
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dukeman92 said:
While I agree with you, the people who need to hear it are too stupid to understand it. The looks on the faces of MAGA family members when I utter the word Oligarchy tells me everything.
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I don’t think you’re persuading maga - it’s not a goal, anymore. The “owned by billionaires” message needs to seep into the Theo Von spaces. There’s even an outside chance of those messages infiltrating Rogan, despite his buddy cop bits with Elon. Rogan has a populist streak, despite his $200 million net worth.

The manosphere (which ain’t just toxic men, btw) and influencer spaces have a populist streak adjacent to the far left (just with a lot more Nazis and trads); that shared ideology must be exploited, IMO, to have any chance at holding this thing [looks around at everything] together.
 
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