Congress Catch-All | Laken Riley Act is first bill passed by House

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ZenMode said:
He's saying that Republicans would have to do something to give him the option to run for a third term. Republicans aren't going to do that. There is no way. It would be political suicide.
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Sure. That will be the first and only time Trump 1) asks GOP congressmen for permission, and then 2) they don’t back his play.
It would in no way be political suicide unless GOP voters stop going along with the MAGA ruse, something they seem unwilling to do.
In my humble opinion.
 
superrific said:
who? the 12th is clear. "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States"

the "slide in thru the back strategy" cannot be accomplished this way. it would require a vp to resign, congress to appoint trump to vp, then the president to resign.
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There's certainly an argument that the 12th prohibits it. But I'd draw a distinction between being constitutionally eligible to the office (i.e., 35 years old, natural born citizen, resident for 14 years) and being constitutionally eligible to being elected to the office (i.e., elected to the office more than twice). I do not have confidence that this Supreme Court would interpret the 12th as a prohibition.
 
ZenMode said:
You believe that Trump is trying to put Hegseth in place because he plans to stay in office indefinitely and wants Hegseth to keep the military from intervening?
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i believe the purpose of hegseth is to purge the military of people who wouldn't be loyal to trump. the reason i believe that is pete hegseth himself said that is one of the goals. trump said it is a goal. members of trumps' transition team say it. why do you think they want to court martial milley?

i do not know what trump will seek to use this pliant military for should he succeed in getting one. maybe not for extending his term. but whatever it is, its bad.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
There's certainly an argument that the 12th prohibits it. But I'd draw a distinction between being constitutionally eligible to the office (i.e., 35 years old, natural born citizen, resident for 14 years) and being constitutionally eligible to being elected to the office (i.e., elected to the office more than twice). I do not have confidence that this Supreme Court would interpret the 12th as a prohibition.
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the 12th is about election procedures. in context it is clear that it means nobody who can't be elected president can be elected vice president. this is not a difficult question of law. you are right that 22nd is about elections not service, but that doesnt do any work here.
 
lawtig02 said:
Nothing seems impossible right now. We all thought Elon was way overpaying for Twitter. Who knew he was actually buying the GOP? And at least for the next few years, the United States of America.
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Wouldn't Elon have to disown (or whatever the correct wording is) his businesses if he were to take an official government position?
 
ZenMode said:
Wouldn't Elon have to disown his businesses if he were to take an official government position?
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Maybe. Trump has done a pretty nifty job navigating that, though. There’s almost no practical limits on grifting by opportunistic public servants.
 
superrific said:
the 12th is about election procedures. in context it is clear that it means nobody who can't be elected president can be elected vice president. this is not a difficult question of law. you are right that 22nd is about elections not service, but that doesnt do any work here.
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I disagree that it is clear. I believe there is more than one plausible interpretation.
 
ZenMode said:
Wouldn't Elon have to disown (or whatever the correct wording is) his businesses if he were to take an official government position?
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It wasn’t an issue for Trump. Simply allow puppets to be placed in positions to run your business(es).
 
heelinhell said:
If I had told you on 12/20/2020 that Trump would attempt to overthrow the duly elected government to avoid leaving office, can I assume your response would have been... ?

uh...no.

Wow.
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"He" didn't try to overthrow the government. He incited a riot. He did virtually nothing to stop the riot for 4 hours and clearly enjoyed the riot... because he's a POS.

Some of the lunatics at the J6 riot likely wanted to overthrow the government, or at least stop certification for some amount of time, but it was a small # and they clearly had no chance of accomplishing their goals if an insurrection was truly one of them.

Most of them, once they got in, walked around, vandalized, stole stuff, etc.
 
superrific said:
the 12th is about election procedures. in context it is clear that it means nobody who can't be elected president can be elected vice president. this is not a difficult question of law. you are right that 22nd is about elections not service, but that doesnt do any work here.
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I appreciate that you have a sound reading of the Constitution in mind as you make these arguments.

But with this Supreme Court, I feel like the entirety of our Constitution is the same as the force which keeps Wile E. Coyote aloft after he runs off the edge of a cliff. It works the way it works until someone draws their attention to it, and then it ceases to work as it has been working.
 
lawtig02 said:
This is so spectacular. I mean, it sucks for federal workers and I’m really legitimately sorry for all of you, but the constant reminders of abject GOP incompetence are just Yum Yum Chefs Kiss GIF by Nick Jonas
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Yep. And fuck 'em - hold them to the original agreement or a hard "no," exactly what they would do if the situation were reversed.

Time to stop fucking around and play by MAGA/Pubs' own rules. The proverbial high road just doesn't work against a large swath of people who don't care.
 
ZenMode said:
"He" didn't try to overthrow the government. He incited a riot. He did virtually nothing to stop the riot for 4 hours and clearly enjoyed the riot... because he's a POS.

Some of the lunatics at the J6 riot likely wanted to overthrow the government, or at least stop certification for some amount of time, but it was a small # and they clearly had no chance of accomplishing their goals, if an insurrection was truly one of them.

Most of them, once they got in, walked around, vandalized, stole stuff, etc.
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This is start to finish bad faith post hoc bullshit and you should feel terrible for even articulating it.

Just because it didn't work as clearly intended doesn't change the intent.
 
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