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Congress Catch-All

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lawtig02 said:
Nothing seems impossible right now. We all thought Elon was way overpaying for Twitter. Who knew he was actually buying the GOP? And at least for the next few years, the United States of America.
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Wouldn't Elon have to disown (or whatever the correct wording is) his businesses if he were to take an official government position?
 
ZenMode said:
Wouldn't Elon have to disown his businesses if he were to take an official government position?
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Maybe. Trump has done a pretty nifty job navigating that, though. There’s almost no practical limits on grifting by opportunistic public servants.
 
superrific said:
the 12th is about election procedures. in context it is clear that it means nobody who can't be elected president can be elected vice president. this is not a difficult question of law. you are right that 22nd is about elections not service, but that doesnt do any work here.
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I disagree that it is clear. I believe there is more than one plausible interpretation.
 
ZenMode said:
Wouldn't Elon have to disown (or whatever the correct wording is) his businesses if he were to take an official government position?
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It wasn’t an issue for Trump. Simply allow puppets to be placed in positions to run your business(es).
 
heelinhell said:
If I had told you on 12/20/2020 that Trump would attempt to overthrow the duly elected government to avoid leaving office, can I assume your response would have been... ?

uh...no.

Wow.
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"He" didn't try to overthrow the government. He incited a riot. He did virtually nothing to stop the riot for 4 hours and clearly enjoyed the riot... because he's a POS.

Some of the lunatics at the J6 riot likely wanted to overthrow the government, or at least stop certification for some amount of time, but it was a small # and they clearly had no chance of accomplishing their goals if an insurrection was truly one of them.

Most of them, once they got in, walked around, vandalized, stole stuff, etc.
 
superrific said:
the 12th is about election procedures. in context it is clear that it means nobody who can't be elected president can be elected vice president. this is not a difficult question of law. you are right that 22nd is about elections not service, but that doesnt do any work here.
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I appreciate that you have a sound reading of the Constitution in mind as you make these arguments.

But with this Supreme Court, I feel like the entirety of our Constitution is the same as the force which keeps Wile E. Coyote aloft after he runs off the edge of a cliff. It works the way it works until someone draws their attention to it, and then it ceases to work as it has been working.
 
lawtig02 said:
This is so spectacular. I mean, it sucks for federal workers and I’m really legitimately sorry for all of you, but the constant reminders of abject GOP incompetence are just Yum Yum Chefs Kiss GIF by Nick Jonas
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Yep. And fuck 'em - hold them to the original agreement or a hard "no," exactly what they would do if the situation were reversed.

Time to stop fucking around and play by MAGA/Pubs' own rules. The proverbial high road just doesn't work against a large swath of people who don't care.
 
ZenMode said:
"He" didn't try to overthrow the government. He incited a riot. He did virtually nothing to stop the riot for 4 hours and clearly enjoyed the riot... because he's a POS.

Some of the lunatics at the J6 riot likely wanted to overthrow the government, or at least stop certification for some amount of time, but it was a small # and they clearly had no chance of accomplishing their goals, if an insurrection was truly one of them.

Most of them, once they got in, walked around, vandalized, stole stuff, etc.
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This is start to finish bad faith post hoc bullshit and you should feel terrible for even articulating it.

Just because it didn't work as clearly intended doesn't change the intent.
 
StrangePackage said:
This is start to finish bad faith post hoc bullshit and you should feel terrible for even articulating it.

Just because it didn't work as clearly intended doesn't change the intent.
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I'm not going to try to read minds. I feel safe in saying he, because of his years of election fraud lies and getting the crowd wound up that day, likely intended for something bad to happen. His unwillingness to try to stop it is evidence of his intent to cause a riot of some kind of violence.

To say I know he intended to overthrow the government, when he had to know it wasn't going to happen, is a step further than I'm willing to go.

That's not bad faith. That's looking at available evidence and not making assumptions about intent.
 
korgguy1971 said:
Yep. And fuck 'em - hold them to the original agreement or a hard "no," exactly what they would do if the situation were reversed.

Time to stop fucking around and play by MAGA/Pubs' own rules. The proverbial high road just doesn't work against a large swath of people who don't care.
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99% chance Johnson is an alcoholic before this story is finished.
 
ZenMode said:
"He" didn't try to overthrow the government. He incited a riot. He did virtually nothing to stop the riot for 4 hours and clearly enjoyed the riot... because he's a POS.

Some of the lunatics at the J6 riot likely wanted to overthrow the government, or at least stop certification for some amount of time, but it was a small # and they clearly had no chance of accomplishing their goals if an insurrection was truly one of them.

Most of them, once they got in, walked around, vandalized, stole stuff, etc.
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You are conveniently leaving out a lot of what Trump did outside of inciting the riot.
 
ZenMode said:
"He" didn't try to overthrow the government. He incited a riot. He did virtually nothing to stop the riot for 4 hours and clearly enjoyed the riot... because he's a POS.

Some of the lunatics at the J6 riot likely wanted to overthrow the government, or at least stop certification for some amount of time, but it was a small # and they clearly had no chance of accomplishing their goals if an insurrection was truly one of them.

Most of them, once they got in, walked around, vandalized, stole stuff, etc.
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and this ignorance is what frustrates so many on this board.

Obviously, you did not watch the 1/6 committee hearings and you did not read the 1/6 committee report.

The plan to overthrow the government and keep Trump in office began shortly after the election. It was not a spontaneous event that arose following Trump's speech to his MAGA followers on 1/6

I implore you to educate yourself so that you may be taken seriously on this board.
 
ZenMode said:
"He" didn't try to overthrow the government. He incited a riot. He did virtually nothing to stop the riot for 4 hours and clearly enjoyed the riot... because he's a POS.

Some of the lunatics at the J6 riot likely wanted to overthrow the government, or at least stop certification for some amount of time, but it was a small # and they clearly had no chance of accomplishing their goals if an insurrection was truly one of them.

Most of them, once they got in, walked around, vandalized, stole stuff, etc.
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the riot was only because pence didn't do what trump wanted him to do. the plan was for pence to refuse to recognize the electors from several states and throw the election to the house. it was absolutely an attempt at disregarding the electoral results. this is not a matter of reasonable debate and i wont engage with this bs any further.
 
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