Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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So Trump announces tariffs on Mexico and Canada, expecting to roll over them. Mexico and Canada respond with a "Go fuck yourself, we can play that game too." Either somebody talks some sense into Trump or he comes to the realization that his bluff has been called, so he calls both Pardo and Trudeau to re-work a deal that allows him to say they agreed to his demands, so he can back off the tariffs without looking like the flaccid, ineffectual, fake tough guy that he is. Both Pardo and Trudeau just agreed to things they are already doing at the border, and Trump backed off his tariffs, but in a way that made it seem like he was only delaying them so he didn't look like a complete pussy by cancelling them altogether. Maybe he thinks in a month, there will be something else in the news cycle that takes our mind off the fact that he didn't reinstate the tariffs.
 
Ramrouser said:
Several of us said that we don't like tariffs but Trump was simply using them as leverage in negotiations. Well, that's exactly what happened. They never went into effect and we have 30 days to negotiate an even better deal(s). We can disagree who got the better "deal" but the point is the tariffs were just the club.

Yeah, it's probably frustrating being an ally/neighbor of Trump's USA but we'll get their assist for securing both borders. See, you don't need a big "border deal" to secure the border. You can secure it simply using your Executive powers and foreign policy diplomacy.
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What do you think he accomplished here? Neither Pardo nor Trudeau agreed to anything they weren't already doing at the border.
 
Ramrouser said:
Several of us said that we don't like tariffs but Trump was simply using them as leverage in negotiations. Well, that's exactly what happened. They never went into effect and we have 30 days to negotiate an even better deal(s). We can disagree who got the better "deal" but the point is the tariffs were just the club.

Yeah, it's probably frustrating being an ally/neighbor of Trump's USA but we'll get their assist for securing both borders. See, you don't need a big "border deal" to secure the border. You can secure it simply using your Executive powers and foreign policy diplomacy.
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What Trump’s balls taste like?
 
JD Heel said:
I can't imagine how frustrating and humiliating it has to be for these other leaders to have to publicly kiss the ring - knowing nothing material is really changing - just to avoid a trade war and possible recession for their countries.
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Is it "kiss the ring" or "kiss the baby"?
 
Keep in mind that, while Trump is threatening the world with tariffs, other countries are forging trade relations with each other. There's been a flurry of bilateral trade deals in the last year, and I'm sure there are more in the works.

Meanwhile, Trump has accomplished nothing but send interest rates soaring.
 
Ramrouser said:
Several of us said that we don't like tariffs but Trump was simply using them as leverage in negotiations. Well, that's exactly what happened. They never went into effect and we have 30 days to negotiate an even better deal(s). We can disagree who got the better "deal" but the point is the tariffs were just the club.

Yeah, it's probably frustrating being an ally/neighbor of Trump's USA but we'll get their assist for securing both borders. See, you don't need a big "border deal" to secure the border. You can secure it simply using your Executive powers and foreign policy diplomacy.
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Right on cue
 
It should also be noted that this "30 day pause" bullshit is the stupidest possible approach. It's like buying a 6 month CD over and over again.

Investment does not follow uncertainty. It flees uncertainty. Who would build a new factory in America now? There could be tariffs in a month, or three, or the debt might not get paid, or the incentives yanked or who knows.

Point is, there's no coherent policy. In a way, tariffs would be better than these quasi-tariffs. The quasi-tariffs are still raising our borrowing costs and we're not even getting any revenue from them. Idiotic.
 
nycfan said:
Pound foolishness … threaten to invade an ally to shake a few duckets from their pockets and give Trump a chance to preen about what a successful bully he is.
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This was really about the growing influence of China in Central America. The pocket change is just beer money. Biden asleep in rehobeth beach the last 4 years.
 
Zoo_View said:
I bet the American citizens of Venezuelan heritage didn’t expect Trump to cooperate with a leftist dictator like Maduro or to ship their Venezuelan cousins back into Maduro’s hands.

FAFO.
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This isn’t just a trump thing. Just about every president has done business with various dictators. Don’t act like this is something new.
 
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