DOJ: Money is not property, per se, so they can confiscate it.

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As a lawyer who sues the government, you get used to the different kinds of arguments that government lawyers use to justify abuses of individual rights—sweeping claims of government power, bad-faith procedural obstacles, and more.

This was a new one: The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) argued that confiscating $50,000 from a small business did not infringe the business' right to private property because money is not property.

"Money is not necessarily 'property' for constitutional purposes," the government's brief declared—putting the very idea of property in square quotes. Reading at my desk, I practically fell out of my chair.

The DOJ gave three rationales for the argument, all packed into a doorstopper of a footnote: (1) the government creates money, so you can't own it; (2) the government can tax your money, so you don't own it; and (3) the Constitution allows the government to spend money for the "general welfare."

If a libertarian was asked to write a satire of a government lawyer's brief, this is what they might come up with. But here it was, in black and white.
 
Wait, what? Money is very clearly an asset. How is that not considered property?
 
Those arguments are laughably bad. This is what happens when you fire the competent lawyers and hire people loyal to a buffoon.
1. The government creates many things, that doesn't mean they aren't property.
2. The government can tax cars and real estate. Are those not property either?
3. So?

I hope judges are prepared to rebuke the hell out of government attorneys like they did for the chuckle head who tried to defend the birthright citizenship EO.
 
Those arguments are laughably bad. This is what happens when you fire the competent lawyers and hire people loyal to a buffoon.
1. The government creates many things, that doesn't mean they aren't property.
2. The government can tax cars and real estate. Are those not property either?
3. So?

I hope judges are prepared to rebuke the hell out of government attorneys like they did for the chuckle head who tried to defend the birthright citizenship EO.
This was filed on 12/16/24. Trump had not had the chance to gut the office yet but maybe there were some attorneys that needed to go.
 
I assume this in defense of civil forfeiture?
It looks like this landscape company was fined for violating some sort of wage or immigration thing. Essentially they either hired some people on h2 visas without appropriately offering it to Americans or maybe didn't pay overtime or something.

The department of Labor fined the landscape company. The landscape company is trying to stretch this out as long as they can so they are filing different motions and hopefully not have to pay the $50,000 or get it reduced or maybe just get the value of the 50,000 inflated away. I think the the legal question was if it's real property that they're confiscating it needs to go to a jury trial but if it's not real property it can be adjudicated by the judge.

Blah blah blah Holiday inn Express blah blah blah.
 
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