Epstein Files | Clintons deposition videos released

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Calheel said:
Yeah. I don’t think 20 years of veganism can reverse 60 years of hard living. I’m also guessing the Epstein stress isn’t exactly great for his longevity either.
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I thought Clinton was a pretty good president and a pretty smart man. He had the morals of an alley cat, though, and I'm not sure he's equipped with a conscience. I doubt he's stressing much about this.
 
finesse said:
I thought Clinton was a pretty good president and a pretty smart man. He had the morals of an alley cat, though, and I'm not sure he's equipped with a conscience. I doubt he's stressing much about this.
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You don't have to have morals to care about legacy. The current occupant of the White House is proof positive of that.
 
finesse said:
I thought Clinton was a pretty good president and a pretty smart man. He had the morals of an alley cat, though, and I'm not sure he's equipped with a conscience.
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This is not true at all. Guy made a heroic effort to achieve peace at Camp David on the way out the door. He didn't have to do the Clinton Global Initiative. And he did a lot of good for a lot of marginalized people.

He was felled by the Lewinsky affair and Paula Jones (though Carville is as much to blame for that latter one, imo) and those are stains but the guy has been a fighter for justice.
 
His legacy is Watergate, Paula Jones and all the rest for anyone who would pursue him instead of that current occupant of the White House as a result of information in the Epstein Files. He and Hillary have subjects of all sorts of rumors about fraud, sex crimes, murders, mal feasance and everything under the sun for over 35 years. Do you really think minor mention in these files will bother them?
 
superrific said:
This is not true at all. Guy made a heroic effort to achieve peace at Camp David on the way out the door. He didn't have to do the Clinton Global Initiative. And he did a lot of good for a lot of marginalized people.

He was felled by the Lewinsky affair and Paula Jones (though Carville is as much to blame for that latter one, imo) and those are stains but the guy has been a fighter for justice.
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I won't argue but none of those demands a conscience, just a sense of common good. Benign pragmatism is enough to drive that. I meant it more in the sense of personal relationships, though, such as the infidelities and lies primarily.
 
Nancy Mace is a garbage human being. I have no doubt she was assaulted/raped/I don't remember the details, but both of those things can be true. Not surprising at all she mischaracterized what happened in the room. She's trash.
 
I think Bill Clinton was a terrific President who actually tried to proactively manage the affairs of the nation rather than react to what others caused. But having said that, I also thought James Carville comment about Bill Clinton was also true, "Anyone who thought that dog was going to stay on the porch just didn't know him."
 
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