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PandemicBlue said:
Let me see, proclaiming the biggest national security fuck up in the last 50 years was information getting out that had absolutely no effect on the success of an operation while also being able to compare it to Afghanistan, where American soldiers actually died and many more Afghanis as well as being able to use common sense to access the dangers of what was allowed to happen at the Southern Border during the Biden Administration and the threat posed to national security as a result of that intentional shitshow, is a weave of epic proportions and total Democrat homerism.

People are so worried about a leak jeopardizing American soldiers, as they should be, but where is the outrage about the leaks of ICE raids which jeopardize the lives of ICE officers? Where is the outrage when Democrat mayors release known dangerous illegal alien criminals with ICE detainers back into the community jeopardizing the lives of everyday citizens walking the streets of their city instead of turning them over to ICE to get their asses shipped out of this country? Where is any of that outrage?

You don't have an answer to those direct questions about situations which have directly led to actual deaths. You'll have some dumbass response that totally ignores all the dangers created by Biden, or whoever was running the country since we all know he damn sure wasn't, while acting like a scared little girl crying over a fuck up of the Trump Administration which resulted in nothing more that we know of than an information leak.
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In your world, attempted murder must be OK since it didn't actually kill anyone. So too are conspiracies -- let's say, a conspiracy to fly a jet into a building -- so long as they are caught in advance.

Texting war plans to a journalist is the biggest fuckup I can remember. Literally the first and most basic goal of any security system -- one that isn't mentioned in cryptography classes because it should be obvious to everyone -- is to prevent the direct communication of sensitive information to journalists.

Trump has an uncanny ability to make everyone reconsider what we've taken for granted all these years. We never thought about issues like "how to prevent the government from texting war plans to journalists" because it was assumed that it would be considered a bad thing. And yet, now it's an open question, apparently. It's like if Caleb Wilson showed up next year and in the first practice was like, "Coach, what does it mean to dribble?"
 
PandemicBlue said:
Let me see, proclaiming the biggest national security fuck up in the last 50 years was information getting out that had absolutely no effect on the success of an operation while also being able to compare it to Afghanistan, where American soldiers actually died and many more Afghanis as well as being able to use common sense to access the dangers of what was allowed to happen at the Southern Border during the Biden Administration and the threat posed to national security as a result of that intentional shitshow, is a weave of epic proportions and total Democrat homerism.

People are so worried about a leak jeopardizing American soldiers, as they should be, but where is the outrage about the leaks of ICE raids which jeopardize the lives of ICE officers? Where is the outrage when Democrat mayors release known dangerous illegal alien criminals with ICE detainers back into the community jeopardizing the lives of everyday citizens walking the streets of their city instead of turning them over to ICE to get their asses shipped out of this country? Where is any of that outrage?

You don't have an answer to those direct questions about situations which have directly led to actual deaths. You'll have some dumbass response that totally ignores all the dangers created by Biden, or whoever was running the country since we all know he damn sure wasn't, while acting like a scared little girl crying over a fuck up of the Trump Administration which resulted in nothing more that we know of than an information leak.
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PandemicBlue said:
Wonder how long it will take to clean up all the fallout from millions of unvetted people from all of the world, including the most dangerous countries on the planet as well as enemy states, being allowed and actually encouraged to pour into this country? I have the answer....it will never be cleaned up. We will pay the ongoing price forever.

I'll take the Trump administration with all of their faults over the Biden administration, or any equivalency, any day of the week.

This was a mistake and it should be dealt with. I'll wait until a thorough investigation, including whether or not this was an approved app, whether or not it has used by previous administration for similar purposes, and whether or not this reporter was intentionally included as a way to leak information, before I pass final judgement. I know it is too much to ask for anyone on the left to do the same since this is such a great time to act as though the world is burning down and point to Trump for striking the match.
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nycfan said:
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With the testimony from Gabbard and Radcliff that none of the Signal chat revealed classified info, Jeffrey Goldberg should share unredacted what he was privy to with the American people, so we can evaluate the veracity of their testimony and determine to what extent we can have trust in the competency and honesty of the current administration.
 
superrific said:
Once upon a time, we welcomed people from enemy states. They were called "defectors." Now, apparently, the rule is that everyone from an enemy country is an enemy, with the exception of the leaders of those countries who butter up Trump and become his "dear friends."

There has been no "fallout" and there never will be, because a) everyone was vetted and b) they are migrants, not foreign agents. Again, the easiest way for terrorists to come into the country is not crossing the Southern border. How did the 9/11 bombers get in? Visas. If there were to be fallout, we would have seen it already -- it's not as if the asylum surge was new (lots of border crossing in 2016-2019).

Bottom line: there are very few foreigners who want to come into the US to be terrorists. The risk/reward just isn't remotely worth it. It requires money, which isn't necessarily available without bin Laden, and the terrorism groups have decided that bin Laden's strategy of going after the "far enemy" was ultimately stupid. While it did wreck the US, it did nothing good for the Islamist cause. ISIL was more effective by far, and thus the terrorist groups remain focused on the near enemy.

But y'all are the people who are also terrified of illegal voting, even though it doesn't occur for the same reasons. It's not remotely worth it.

Maybe it's a bad idea for the country to sell out all its principles, erode our liberties and civil rights, and elect nincompoops based on imagined threats that have no basis in reality. Why y'all so scared of everything? Living in fear, my god.
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It is much easier to convert people already living in the US than to send terrorists over the border. New Orleans, Boston, San Bernardino, Hudson River Bike Path, etc., etc. I'm not aware of ANY terrorist attacks involving border crossings, even though that is the first thing Trump claimed in the New Orleans attack. If this were truly a meaningful national security risk, you'd expect at least one instance of a terrorist attack based on a land border crossing. (Trying out the new big orange font).
 
Calheel said:
It is much easier to convert people already living in the US than to send terrorists over the border. New Orleans, Boston, San Bernardino, Hudson River Bike Path, etc., etc. I'm not aware of ANY terrorist attacks involving border crossings, even though that is the first thing Trump claimed in the New Orleans attack. If this were truly a meaningful national security risk, you'd expect at least one instance of a terrorist attack based on a land border crossing. (Trying out the new big orange font).
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IIRC there was a guy apprehended near Seattle around the year 2000 who might have been planning some sort of terrorism thing in LA. Vague memories. Long time ago, and pre-9/11 security upgrades.
 
korgguy1971 said:
@Kraftyheel89 , my friend ( and @UNCatTech ), what I wrote earlier is a parody poast of an amalgamation of what some of our MAGA board denizens might respond with - really one of them in particular. I put it in quotes to make it seem like someone else was saying it, but in retrospect - as you're the 2nd person I've inadvertently "hooked" with it - I probably should have done a better job of indicating to others that it was meant as such.

I assure you, I feel the same as you (and sringwal and others living on Earth Prime) do. 🎉
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Yea, i figured it out but you had me worried at first. :D :D
 
aGDevil2k said:
Classified or not the app isn't FOIA compliant so it's illegal for them to be using in any government act
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LOL. I mean, you're not wrong. It's just that we're in a place where FOIA non-compliance is almost an afterthought. Remember when it was a big deal when Trump was flushing docs down the toilet?
 
ZenMode said:
On a side note, the deep, dark conspiracy theory forming on the right is that the signal chat was intentionally leaked to send a message to Europe.
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Well, now, wait one dadgum minute. Which is it? Was it intentionally leaked to send a message to Europe, or was it a total sham hoax by a washed up fake news “journalist” who didn’t actually have the texts because the texts never actually existed?
 
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