Going after Greenland

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When talking about a hostile takeover of another nation whose populace wants absolutely no part of the United States, no absolutely means no. What the fuck else is there to say? Anything beyond that is an open act of war.
Right and I don't in any way support invading or any military action, but a country of 50k has to be under the jurisdiction of someone. They have no currency, no meaningful federal government. If we can negotiate with Denmark to take over that responsibility, what's the issue?
 
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I could be wrong. In 5 years from now, which countries, other than Russia, China, Greenland and maybe Denmark are still going to be pissed off?
History has proven many times that countries and people have long memories. If the US moves to forcibly take Greenland the rest of Europe will neither forgive or forget. Plus, it will just make other European countries distrust trump even more than they do now (if that is possible).
 
Right and I don't in any way support invading or any military action, but a country of 50k has to be under the jurisdiction of someone. They have no currency, no meaningful federal government. If we can negotiate with Denmark to take over that responsibility, what's the issue?
Denmark has made it plain that they have no interest in such a thing and it is patently insulting to publicly pursue this nonsense against an ally.

I suppose you think it would be totally appropriate for someone to publicly proclaim they were going to sleep with and take your wife? After all, what's the harm if they can get agreement?
 
Canada, the EU and the UK are fed up. Their new alliance is strong and they’re not taking anymore BS. Trumps American isolationism is going to bite him in the arse. Nobody needs the U.S. anymore. They’re all moving on together without us. Japan will be on board next, along with a host of other democratic nations. They’re simply saying “no” to the oligarchs and fascist authoritarians.

Just like Greenland said. “No”. What part of no don’t you understand JD? Trump? Putin? Y’all can fuck all the way off.
 
Canada, the EU and the UK are fed up. Their new alliance is strong and they’re not taking anymore BS. Trumps American isolationism is going to bite him in the arse. Nobody needs the U.S. anymore. They’re all moving on together without us. Japan will be on board next, along with a host of other democratic nations. They’re simply saying “no” to the oligarchs and fascist authoritarians.

Just like Greenland said. “No”. What part of no don’t you understand JD? Trump? Putin? Y’all can fuck all the way off.
The UK is largely finding ways to cower in the corner and try to go unnoticed as they have largely burnt their trade bridges. It's not as bad as it was before, but you can still walk into a grocery store in the middle of fucking Notting Hill and see empty produce shelves because of the damage Brexit did to trade. Starmer's main reaction to Trump burning down the US-global relationship has been to say "No, we won't use reciprocal tariffs and please have a state visit, I know how you love those."


The Labour party is busy cutting benefits on everything from disability to education as they deal with just how fucking broke they are after the Tories burnt down everything and the public is incensed and will just run back to the conservatives in revenge (if not further right wing.)

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The UK is largely finding ways to cower in the corner and try to go unnoticed as they have largely burnt their trade bridges. It's not as bad as it was before, but you can still walk into a grocery store in the middle of fucking Notting Hill and see empty produce shelves because of the damage Brexit did to trade. Starmer's main reaction to Trump burning down the US-global relationship has been to say "No, we won't use reciprocal tariffs and please have a state visit, I know how you love those."


The Labour party is busy cutting benefits on everything from disability to education as they deal with just how fucking broke they are after the Tories burnt down everything and the public is incensed and will just run back to the conservatives in revenge (if not further right wing.)

Scores of English councils could go bankrupt when hidden Send debt reappears

Reeves could tax pensions and wealth if economy worsens, says IFS


It's so, so stupid, and I worry that the same thing will eventually happen here. Assuming we are actually allowed to elect a Democratic administration and Congress sometime in the near future, I worry that they will also inherit a god-awful mess (much worse than Biden or Obama inherited) and the GOP's gutting of the government will leave Democrats holding the bag and trying desperately to fix the mess Trumpers left behind. And of course you know that Fox and right-wing media will have a field day blaming Democrats for whatever misery results, and for not fixing the mess Republicans created quickly enough. That already happened to some extent with Biden's term of office. Brexit - aided and abetted by Boris Johnson and Conservative governments in general - fucked the UK royally, but it's Labour that's left holding the bag and paying the price. And so who will UK voters likely return to to "fix" the problem conservatives created? Conservatives. It's madness.
 
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It's so, so stupid, and I worry that the same thing will eventually happen here. Assuming we are actually allowed to elect a Democratic administration and Congress sometime in the near future, I worry that they will also inherit a god-awful mess (much worse than Biden or Obama inherited) and the GOP's gutting of the government will leave Democrats holding the bag and trying desperately to fix the mess Trumpers left behind. And of course you know that Fox and right-wing media will have a field day blaming Democrats for whatever misery results, and for not fixing the mess they created quickly enough. That already happened to some extent with Biden's term of office. Brexit - aided and abetted by Boris Johnson and Conservative governments in general - fucked the UK royally, but it's Labour that's left holding the bag and paying the price. And so who will UK voters likely return to to "fix" the problem conservatives created? Conservatives. It's madness.
People, at their core, are stupid selfish animals who (as a whole) have benefited greatly from the exception to the common member of the species.
 
The UK is largely finding ways to cower in the corner and try to go unnoticed as they have largely burnt their trade bridges. It's not as bad as it was before, but you can still walk into a grocery store in the middle of fucking Notting Hill and see empty produce shelves because of the damage Brexit did to trade. Starmer's main reaction to Trump burning down the US-global relationship has been to say "No, we won't use reciprocal tariffs and please have a state visit, I know how you love those."


The Labour party is busy cutting benefits on everything from disability to education as they deal with just how fucking broke they are after the Tories burnt down everything and the public is incensed and will just run back to the conservatives in revenge (if not further right wing.)

Scores of English councils could go bankrupt when hidden Send debt reappears

Reeves could tax pensions and wealth if economy worsens, says IFS


Oh, make no mistake, the Brits are fucked - and the Tories did it - and the EU has no problem moving on, trade-wise, without the UK. And the EU has no problem moving on from both them and the U.S. in that regard.

But what I mean by adding the U.K. in with Canada and EU is in response to Putin (and by proxy Trump and the US) in regards to NATO and Ukraine. The UK is on board with Macron, the EU and NATO in backing Ukraine. I don't mean to lump the UK in with the EU in terms of trade agreements. That horse left the barn with Brexit, we all know that. But I did include the UK in the anti-Russian/Pro Ukraine alliance.

I used to live over there, and I still have tons of friends over there - and I was last there in 2019 before the Pandemic hit. I was also there in 2016 and 2017 as well (2017 - right when all this Brexit shit was hitting the fan and the MAGA-type Brits voted to leave. The EXACT same kind of idiots that voted for Trump)
 
Consent would be the best case scenario. Hopefully we could come to some kind of agreement with Denmark and/or Greenland. Trump could also utilize economic pressure to force Denmark to relinquish control of Greenland. Again, not something that is great, but also not something that I think is going to have long-term impacts around the world.

I honestly have no idea what you are referring to in regards to the women comment.
You don't get it do you? The EU, NATO (yes, that includes Denmark), Canada and the UK are all on board with protecting the sovereign rights of all of these entities on which Trump and Putin have designs: Ukraine, Canada and Greenland. That alliance will simply not allow Trump to do what he wants in terms of Canada and Greenland. You do realize Macron and France just parked a Nuclear Submarine off the Halifax coast don't you? You do realize Canada just severed ALL ties with the U.S. and now they're spending millions on shoring up defense of their Arctic properties - which will soon be THE TOP, MAJOR trade route - and they've got Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland on board with them in so doing. That also entails protecting Greenland from the Russians and Trump.

Ain't nobody in this hemisphere going to allow Trump to do SQUAT in Greenland, quite literally. They didn't even allow JD the time of day to squat and take a dump there, except on a US military base.
 
Acquiring Greenland would be amazing for the US. Doing it by force would be an impeachable offense to me but if we could buy it, we absolutely should.

Greenland has the highest alcoholic rate per capita in the world. They have the highest suicide rate per capita in the world.

If Trump had approached them differently and told them about how the deal would make their lives better it might have worked out but he’s an idiot so he ruined any chance of that.
The only bit in your statement has some ring of validity is the bit about trump being and idiot.
 
I think it’s also about the shipping lanes that will open up in the artic.

The thing is, I am guessing we could have expanded our footprint in Greenland without conflict. If Greenland really needed protection from Russia and China as some claim, that would have been easy to achieve without antagonizing and threatening our allies.

But none of that would have satisfied Trump narcissistic desires.
Those shipping lanes belong to Canada, and they're making plans and spending money to shore up the defense of those shipping lanes. They are the gate keeper. Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland all know this - and guess who the latest additions to NATO are? Yup. A couple of those aforementioned countries. A non-trump-led U.S. could have been a part of that coalition... but oh hell no. The FREE world (not US and Russia) is banding together and moving on with the help or consent of Trumplandia.
 
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You are disputing the alcoholic and suicide rates?
Probably disputing the idea that anything we'd do would change those rates. Sending people there to exploit the natural resources they want will probably put people less used to or suited for those conditions and quite possibly make those numbers worse.

Iow, neither the Greenlanders or me see much in this for them. I know why I don't count. You explain why they don't.
 
You are disputing the alcoholic and suicide rates?
Probably a significant reason for the alcoholism is the absence of anything to do but drink. And the lack of sunlight is not good for depression.

There's no reason to think annexation by the US would address either of those. Trump ain't opening any water parks in Nuuk, and the solar radiation cycle is pretty much inalterable.
 
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