Helene & Milton - Political fallout, Disinformation and Lies & now Threats

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rodoheel said:
It doesn't surprise me anymore, but it will never seek to disappoint me that so many people from a developed country will believe things like "FEMA is seizing supplies from volunteers who drive in with them." It's hard to imagine anything more transparently BS than this claim. People think FEMA is, like, robbing random volunteers at gunpoint, and confiscating their personal property?
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What's really disgusting about all this is that you DO have so many good government workers - for FEMA and other federal relief agencies, and for state agencies sent by Cooper - who are working their tails off to help as many people as they can in an extremely difficult situation, and yet they can look on social media and find themselves being called heartless monsters, thieves who are stealing people's food and money, uncaring red-tape bureaucrats who are knowingly allowing people to suffer and even die, and on and on. It's total bullshit and should stop, but it won't, because that's where we are as a nation right now.
 
05C40 said:
There is no coal anywhere in North Carolina west of I-77. The last time coal was mined in North Carolina was during the Civil War.
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The tweets are about the region generally and in response to some nasty comments about the region not deserving more welfare ...
 
nycfan said:
The tweets are about the region generally and in response to some nasty comments about the region not deserving more welfare ...
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In my personal opinion (and I know you are not arguing to the contrary) welfare is not owed any more or any less to any region or group of people (with the possible exception of veterans or first responders) because of where they're from or what their ancestors did. Welfare belongs to all people in need. Whatever the cause of that need. That includes the needy in Western NC and the other parts of the region, no matter who they are or where their house was or what they say about the government. But it definitely does bother me when people who like to argue for cutting aid to other groups of people in need suddenly feel passionately that the government has a clear obligation to them in their time of need. Or when hypocritical, grifting conservative lawmakers who consistently vote against providing funding to people in need suddenly claim that the government isn't helping people enough.
 
nycfan said:
So, had Safelite come repair my windshield (small starburst) this morning due to gravel that spun up and hit us while we were going to Seven Devils on Wednesday. Guy was super nice and professional, and I was telling him how we got the starburst by traveling on patched HWY 105. He proceeds to ask me how we got up there because he heard law enforcement was arresting anyone who tried to bring supplies in.

I explained not only was that not the case, but there were tons of private and commercial vehicles hauling in supplies to that area while we were there, National Guard vehicles in several locations and most stuff on 321 in Boone open now, albeit limited hours etc. (and some mobile stuff in front of the box store). I told him about the many free meals stations etc.

He says well that is probably because Samaratin's Purse is there. He then says that he was told that people were getting arrested trying to bring supplies in north of Boone and that FEMA and the National Guard are forcing private aircraft to turn around and seizing the materials they bring in "supposedly" to protect rescuers on the ground and control the kinds of supplies permitted in. He claimed that the government was preventing thousands of isolated people from being saved by all these patriots and people are getting hot about it. Then asked how I got through Blowing Rock, he heard it had been destroyed.

I told him we didn't drive through downtown, we went 321 around the outside of town, but it appeared to still be intact. They did have a boil water order that just ended. He said he was surprised, but maybe I just didn't see the destruction he assured me had happened.
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I would report his ass to safelite
 
HandsonFire said:
Glenn Beck said this am that FEMA gave 1.4 billion to illegals. No idea where he got this information, and I’m not saying it’s true.

If (big if) this is true it does suck. That can build 3500 400,000 homes Maybe just a drop in the bucket, but it’s been said on this board that the max you’ll get is 80,000 from fema. That’s not going to build a house, and it just sucks to think of those who will not be made whole, while people who aren’t citizens get benefits.
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You should be ashamed. Ask your diety for atonement.
 
nycfan said:
The tweets are about the region generally and in response to some nasty comments about the region not deserving more welfare ...
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OK, fair enough. But the part that was heavily involved in extraction industries, especially coal, did receive a lot of attention, especially from Perdue Pharma. Also, the Appalachian Regional Commission has been around for nearly 60 years trying to help.
 
aGDevil2k said:
I would report his ass to safelite
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Nah, guy was polite and did his job. I brought up the situation in the mountains first explaining how the window got chipped and why the windshield and rest of car was still dirty from having muddy water and debris splash it on some of the roads.
 
GIFT LINK —> https://wapo.st/3Y9FuBf


No, Biden didn’t take FEMA relief money to use on migrants — but Trump did​

Donald Trump falsely accuses President Biden of redirecting disaster funds, a budget maneuver Trump himself approved in 2019.

“… So how does Trump link this to migrants? A Trump campaign spokesman pointed to FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program, which gives grants to local governments and nonprofits to take care of undocumented immigrants. Congress boosted the budget from $360 million in fiscal year 2023 to $650 million in fiscal year 2024. The program’s 2023 annual report says it provides shelter, such as hotel/motel services, food and transportation, including plane tickets up to $700 a person.

As we said, Congress appropriated this money, just as it did the disaster fund. There’s no evidence that any money from the disaster fund was used to help migrants.

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Trump has a habit of assuming other politicians act in the same way as he would. So we wondered why he would accuse Biden of raiding the FEMA disaster fund to handle undocumented migrants.

It turns out that’s because he did this! In 2019, the Trump administration, in the middle of hurricane season, told Congress that it was taking $271 million from DHS programs, including $155 million from the disaster fund, to pay for immigration detention space and temporary hearing locations for asylum seekers who have been forced to wait in Mexico.

“The U.S. is facing a security and humanitarian crisis on the Southern border,” the administration said in its notice that it was redirecting the funds.

… The monthly reports issued by the FEMA disaster fund show $38 million was plucked and given to Immigration and Customs Enforcement in August that year — just before the prime storm period of September and October.

The Trump campaign did not respond to questions about Trump’s actions in 2019. …”
 
nycfan said:




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Since my wife is a pastor, I'll respond.
Most pastors avoid lay politics, unless they've been corrupted by Christian nationalism, which is a betrayal of basic Christian theology. I don't know who these particular pastors may be. Most ministers are fine people. But not all. They are also people with human failings, such as susceptibility to gossip and rumor.
 
nycfan said:
GIFT LINK —> https://wapo.st/3Y9FuBf


No, Biden didn’t take FEMA relief money to use on migrants — but Trump did​

Donald Trump falsely accuses President Biden of redirecting disaster funds, a budget maneuver Trump himself approved in 2019.

“… So how does Trump link this to migrants? A Trump campaign spokesman pointed to FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program, which gives grants to local governments and nonprofits to take care of undocumented immigrants. Congress boosted the budget from $360 million in fiscal year 2023 to $650 million in fiscal year 2024. The program’s 2023 annual report says it provides shelter, such as hotel/motel services, food and transportation, including plane tickets up to $700 a person.

As we said, Congress appropriated this money, just as it did the disaster fund. There’s no evidence that any money from the disaster fund was used to help migrants.

…
Trump has a habit of assuming other politicians act in the same way as he would. So we wondered why he would accuse Biden of raiding the FEMA disaster fund to handle undocumented migrants.

It turns out that’s because he did this! In 2019, the Trump administration, in the middle of hurricane season, told Congress that it was taking $271 million from DHS programs, including $155 million from the disaster fund, to pay for immigration detention space and temporary hearing locations for asylum seekers who have been forced to wait in Mexico.

“The U.S. is facing a security and humanitarian crisis on the Southern border,” the administration said in its notice that it was redirecting the funds.

… The monthly reports issued by the FEMA disaster fund show $38 million was plucked and given to Immigration and Customs Enforcement in August that year — just before the prime storm period of September and October.

The Trump campaign did not respond to questions about Trump’s actions in 2019. …”
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Projection, every single time
 
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