Helene & Milton - Political fallout, Disinformation and Lies & now Threats

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You'd think that, in the age of cell phone cameras, some pictures and videos of these FEMA checkpoints and seizures would be on the web. Maybe even their locations.

But like the litter boxes in schools for students identifying as cats, there a strange and total absence of any such evidence.

Weird, innit?
 
StrangePackage said:
You'd think that, in the age of cell phone cameras, some pictures and videos of these FEMA checkpoints and seizures would be on the web. Maybe even their locations.

But like the litter boxes in schools for students identifying as cats, there a strange and total absence of any such evidence.

Weird, innit?
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Conspiracy theories don't require facts, just idiots willing to believe and spread them.
 
nycfan said:
GIFT LINK —> https://wapo.st/3Y9FuBf


No, Biden didn’t take FEMA relief money to use on migrants — but Trump did​

Donald Trump falsely accuses President Biden of redirecting disaster funds, a budget maneuver Trump himself approved in 2019.

“… So how does Trump link this to migrants? A Trump campaign spokesman pointed to FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program, which gives grants to local governments and nonprofits to take care of undocumented immigrants. Congress boosted the budget from $360 million in fiscal year 2023 to $650 million in fiscal year 2024. The program’s 2023 annual report says it provides shelter, such as hotel/motel services, food and transportation, including plane tickets up to $700 a person.

As we said, Congress appropriated this money, just as it did the disaster fund. There’s no evidence that any money from the disaster fund was used to help migrants.

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Trump has a habit of assuming other politicians act in the same way as he would. So we wondered why he would accuse Biden of raiding the FEMA disaster fund to handle undocumented migrants.

It turns out that’s because he did this! In 2019, the Trump administration, in the middle of hurricane season, told Congress that it was taking $271 million from DHS programs, including $155 million from the disaster fund, to pay for immigration detention space and temporary hearing locations for asylum seekers who have been forced to wait in Mexico.

“The U.S. is facing a security and humanitarian crisis on the Southern border,” the administration said in its notice that it was redirecting the funds.

… The monthly reports issued by the FEMA disaster fund show $38 million was plucked and given to Immigration and Customs Enforcement in August that year — just before the prime storm period of September and October.

The Trump campaign did not respond to questions about Trump’s actions in 2019. …”
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Every complaint/criticism is a projection.
 
I won't link it, but just saw a post from someone on Twitter that said their "brother" says that workers around Chimney Rock are saying search and rescue operations are over and they're going to bulldoze Chimney Rock and the government is going to take the land. And all the comments are gibberish about lithium and quartz mines.

For one thing, the flooding river pretty much already "bulldozed" Chimney Rock anyway. But I can't believe people buy this BS. How exactly do they think the government is going to accomplish just "taking" this land from people? These people are honestly entertaining the idea that the government engineered a hurricane, and calculated which NC small towns it would wipe out, all to seize control of some small mining operations?

Twitter has honestly become worse than FB. I only lurk there, don't post, but not even sure I can/should do that anymore. It's an absolute cesspool of grifting and conspiracy theories.
 
I mean, at what point are there enough local, state and federal Republican elected officials that are affected by this BS that they finally all revolt?? There has to be a limit somewhere.
 
mynameisbond said:
It's a genuine shame he owns his own social media platform. He can do or say whatever he wants there without consequences. There's no legal remedy for lying unless it is defamatory to an individual person.
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That last sentence is exactly the problem that everyone is trying to grapple with. Bad actors have realized that you can tell whatever lies you want as long as you tell them about "the government" or "FEMA" or otherwise not about specific individuals or groups of private citizens. Defamation law doesn't cover it, it's unclear who would have standing to bring claims based on those lies, and the First Amendment prevents most conceivable government mandates against "misinformation." We've got to figure out some kind of legal framework to solve this problem or it will only get worse.
 
rodoheel said:
That last sentence is exactly the problem that everyone is trying to grapple with. Bad actors have realized that you can tell whatever lies you want as long as you tell them about "the government" or "FEMA" or otherwise not about specific individuals or groups of private citizens. Defamation law doesn't cover it, it's unclear who would have standing to bring claims based on those lies, and the First Amendment prevents most conceivable government mandates against "misinformation." We've got to figure out some kind of legal framework to solve this problem or it will only get worse.
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It would have to be a statutory remedy, whether state or federal. I'm not sure there's any politician out there with enough balls to take it on.
 
In this day and age where even 6-year-olds are walking around with iPhones, how come there has not been one single photo or video of things being taken away or officials saying... whatever. I understand those can be doctored, but it's just been a whole lot of "I heard." "Someone said."

Someone asked that Mimi J woman mentioned upthread if there was proof about what the Chimney Rock officials supposedly said, and she said people weren't allowed to take their phones into the meeting.

Sigh.
 
nycfan said:


My brother who lives in Asheville says the same thing on his once a day trip to the mall to get WiFi service.
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Well OF COURSE they're in Asheville. That's Kamala country. They are stealing all the Samaritan's Purse water and delivering it to the Kamala voters. /s
 
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