Helene & Milton - Political fallout, Disinformation and Lies & now Threats

[05C40]

It’s a lame photo op.

In Statesville.

At Statesville, I-40 is blocked and only essential traffic is supposed to proceed further west. But you knew that and decided to be a jackass anyway. Glad this tragedy is giving you an opportunity to be a jackass.

 

[Scientific Mapp]

OK you know I like you and respect you. But you are wrong on this - you are feeding right into MAGA talking points.


They saw flooding coming to the mountains. This is not SE Texas where you can easily do a mass evacuation of coastal areas. Do you think they should have ordered a mass evacuation of the entirety of western NC for a "well maybe it rains the most ever?" Forecasts were for 12 inches of rain - including the stalled front. That rapidly changed about 48 hours before landfall. And newsflash: even if you say it was going to happen, those folks werent evacuating. Maybe like around Biltmore Village (where flooding is regular) but in the other areas? LOL hell no. And so you have 1 week where the hurricane may come and cause some flash flooding - you warn people (they were warned) and they stock up. But nothing was in the cards to indicate this level of flooding. It set all time records. That's not in the books. There was planning, but not for the extreme level that occurred.

In addition, the hurricane was forecast to go up I-75 over Atlanta and then up near and west of Knoxville. It stayed east over the edge of SC. That changed things for NC DRASTICALLY. So let's not get all Miss Cleo on NHC forecasts because that shit changes - and it did even when landfall was happening.

All of this is precisely correct. We knew about very heavy rain all week. Wednesday night, there were credible warnings of very severe flooding, and sensible people next to lakes and rivers did start to move themselves and their stuff, but we did not, by and large, stock up for a disaster. Thursday was a reasonably ordinary, very rainy, work day. Everyone went home and went to bed. The end-is-nigh weather warnings started coming on on text late at night on Thursday, then 7:30 Friday morning, it was on like Donkey Kong.

 

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

I think the “lesson” Republicans learned from (relatively) effective federal-state cooperation during a national disaster was “never again”.

 

[rodoheel]

I hate to say this; but, bringing a pick-up truck load of bottled water is akin to Trump’s paper towels.

Create a charity. Call up your biggest donors. Ask for $$$ - the amount an 18-wheeler of bottled water would cost - from each one. Show up with 50+ semis full of water.

A pick-up truck?

Create a charity on the fly. during a gubernatorial campaign? Is this supposed to be a serious post?

 

[aGDevil2k]

He actually showed up to Buncombe, I believe. I saw several police cars- more than I had seen in a few days - escorting a vehicle.

Westbound is cut off at Statesville.

I mean physically cut off. I think you can drive all the way to the Divide if you need to. I THINK a landslide took out the road at Old Fort if the photo was correct

 

[Zoo_View]

At Statesville, I-40 is blocked and only essential traffic is supposed to proceed further west. But you knew that and decided to be a jackass anyway. Glad this tragedy is giving you an opportunity to be a jackass.

It was a needless and LAME photo op with a pick-up truck of bottled water.

You’d mock it if Trump, Vance, or Robinson did the same.

 

[Zoo_View]

Create a charity on the fly. during a gubernatorial campaign? Is this supposed to be a serious post?

I’ve heard of lawyers and this thing called GoFundMe.

Yes. I’m serious.

 

[05C40]

It was a needless and LAME photo op with a pick-up truck of bottled water.

You’d mock it if Trump, Vance, or Robinson did the same.

I would mock them if they were throwing single bottles of water out to thirsty people. But if they were packing a truck with supplies needed by desperate people that they were turning over to intermediaries to deliver, I would not mock them. You really are terrible at this contrarian shtick. You are not being a contrarian, you are just being a fool.

If you saw the pitiful amount of water (2 cases of 24 and 2 gallon jugs) formula (2 tins of 100 servings) Pampers (2 boxes of 100 each), and peanut butter (2 plastic jars of 40 oz each) I delivered to the back of a Red Cross truck in Charlotte today, you would probably mock me also. Sorry I didn't take a photo so you could really get into your denigration of people trying to help others.

 

[nycfan]

 

[gregh1]

 

[UNCBAdookJD]

You place resources on higher ground in critical areas that can be accessed. You prepare for portability and rescue. FEMA and the US Gov. had a week to prepare.

TBF, I'm commenting on how the votes in the middle and on the fence will see it.

And what high ground in these areas do you know for a fact will be accessible? When dealing with floods roads matter and you never know which roads are going to survive.

 

[Zoo_View]

I would mock them if they were throwing single bottles of water out to thirsty people. But if they were packing a truck with supplies needed by desperate people that they were turning over to intermediaries to deliver, I would not mock them. You really are terrible at this contrarian shtick. You are not being a contrarian, you are just being a fool.

If you saw the pitiful amount of water (2 cases of 24 and 2 gallon jugs) formula (2 tins of 100 servings) Pampers (2 boxes of 100 each), and peanut butter (2 plastic jars of 40 oz each) I delivered to the back of a Red Cross truck in Charlotte today, you would probably mock me also. Sorry I didn't take a photo so you could really get into your denigration of people trying to help others.

Nope.

You’re an individual donating supplies to a charity providing supplies to people in need.

You weren’t driving a pick-up truck of water from Raleigh in search of a photo op (“My team and I……”).

Rent a damn Semi-truck and buy a Wal-Mart or two or three out of bottled water.

A pick-up truck load? For a photo op?

 

[8992Tiger]

Best people in the world. Wilmington and Greenville get clobbered, WNC will step up. The mountains get clobbered, ENC will step up. I’m a SC native but the Old North State is 100% home now, and almost certainly will always be.

Same. From SC, but Hickory, NC has been my home for 30+ years and I expect to stay here the rest of my life. Love it.

 

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

Musk was sure to try to reverse engineer some credit to Trump …

 

[nycfan]

Subtlety has never been Trump’s bag, but going with third grade taunts at this point — this is obviously the narrative that he and his team intended to shape from before Helene came ashore but he can’t wait for some facts on the ground around which to build his allegations.

 

[2ManyBlueCups]

You place resources on higher ground in critical areas that can be accessed. You prepare for portability and rescue. FEMA and the US Gov. had a week to prepare.

TBF, I'm commenting on how the votes in the middle and on the fence will see it.

As someone who does this for a living I can tell you that FEMA, USAR and water rescue assets were pre-placed before the storm even started. Unfortunately, there are times when the conditions are so extreme that even highly-trained responders have to wait. Can't launch helicopters to rescue people in the middle of a hurricane with low ceilings in the mountains. The swiftwater boats have to be pulled on trailers by trucks; if the roads are inaccessible then that delays that process. They carry saws and equipment with them to remove obstacles but that takes time. Unfortunately, there are and always have been disasters that exceed our society's ability to save everyone or even reach many people in a timely manner. Mother nature is still the boss.

 

[finesse]

I don't do it but they are pros. They may not be best placed or every emergency because that is so problematic. They are going to be securely placed so they can have the most options to respond as best they can in the places they can reach. Those, by the very nature of the event, are unpredictable. It's a lot more reliable to plan to function in the best way possible than the best possible way. Flexibility in a case like this matters.