Hot Stove: UNC Basketball

This is such a weird era. Seth wants to start but hasn't really earned it IMO as a PG or an off-guard for a team that needs shooters. At least not in the HD system . So if he can flourish somewhere else then it sucks for fans of watching players develop, but more power to him.
 
Ugh, this EC news sucks. I know he has limitations, but I'm not sure we're gonna get anyone with his talent out of the portal.

But I'll wait to see who we can bring in before I come to a real opinion on this.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I think he’s a really good player who didn’t have the personnel around him to really shine, and he’s probably concerned it won’t be any better next season. I think he will get a lot of big offers and we will be very sad he’s not with us when we watch him play next year.
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I think he’s a really good talent who hasn’t had the mental wherewithal nor emotional maturity to really shine. He had two full seasons to adapt to the personnel around him and never did. Instead he just played more and more frustrated and made the same exact mistakes (home run pass attempts, bonehead early fouls), and pulled more cheap dookie maneuvers and hot-headed plays due to lack of emotional control than any Heel I can recall in a long time.

As far as him not developing maturity, I think HD and staff own some of that for sure. But from my admittedly limited view, I’d guess Cadeau owns most of it. The staff probably felt hamstrung disciplining him, benching him, or coming down on him much at all, for fear of the portal. Chalk this kid-gloves dynamic up as one more challenge in the new transfer-crazy era.

Not gonna shed any tears if he goes. I don’t give a flying crap what it does to the lineup as long as it benefits the culture. If he stays, I’ll hope for the best regarding a huge leap forward in basketball IQ, and especially in maturity and toughness.
 
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Carolina Fever said:
Why would you want to move on from him if they don't have anyone bettwr to take his place? And it could mean Wilson not coming, too.
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I think they can find someone better. If you keep EC it limits what type of team you can build especially defensively.
 
There’s probably going to be multiple upgrades available in the portal at every position. I’m not worried about who leaves as long as UNC can secure better players who are better fits.
 
Bigs23 said:
There’s probably going to be multiple upgrades available in the portal at every position. I’m not worried about who leaves as long as UNC can secure better players who are better fits.
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Yeah, but that's exactly why people should be worried. There's no guarantee they can get players who are better to take the place of one's that are leaving.
 
Calheel said:
Exactly. That is why all the posts predicting doom and gloom are premature. Mark Pope has shown that you can build a solid contender through the portal.
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Well, sure, but that's sort of underselling how hard it is to bring in "5 portal studs" (both in terms of identifying the right talent and in actually getting them). I agree with you that a wait and see approach is right, but it's also fair to have some skepticism about our staff's ability to evaluate the right fits in the portal, and then close on them, after what happened last season.
 
Carolina Fever said:
Yeah, but that's exactly why people should be worried. There's no guarantee they can get players who are better to take the place of one's that are leaving.
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Yeah, I think the idea that you can easily upgrade in the portal is misguided. You certainly can upgrade, but the majority of players in the portal are either guys who struggled to get the minutes/opportunities they thought they deserved at major programs, or guys who put up good numbers at mid-majors or on bad teams but haven’t proven they can compete on a high quality P5-type team.

As for the players in the portal who have either proven themselves or show a great deal of potential, there’s a lot competition to land them. And you can no longer rely on a program’s long term history and tradition; the battle to land a highly sought-after player in the portal mostly comes down to winning a bidding war. Perhaps a good recent track record of turning out first round draft picks and NBA stars helps as well, but unfortunately UNC is a little behind in that department these days. Even with the highly sought-after players in the portal, with many— if not most— of them you’re still rolling dice, hoping they deliver.

And honestly, I don’t think the portal is going to have many point guards who are better than Cadeau.
 
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Regarding those who've left or may leave via portal... do you really care to follow them at their new destination? Did anyone follow Arizona the past 2 years? Did anyone swoon for Trez and State? If (big if) Cadeau lands at d00k (or another rival school), are their any Tar Heel fans on this board going to root for Elliot to have a great season and to follow his stats and see how he does? You know, "once a Tar Heel, always a Tar Heel" sort of thing...

Or, are you going to be of a mind: "See, Caleb doing Caleb things; 3-20 and shot his team out of a game again!" Or: "Screw Trez and lolstate - he's a tool and a traitor for going to that cow college!"

Or maybe, just maybe: "meh, who cares? They're gone and forgotten"
 
duluoz said:
I think he’s a really good talent who hasn’t had the mental wherewithal nor emotional maturity to really shine. He had two full seasons to adapt to the personnel around him and never did. Instead he just played more and more frustrated and made the same exact mistakes (home run pass attempts, bonehead early fouls), and pulled more cheap dookie maneuvers and hot-headed plays due to lack of emotional control than any Heel I can recall in a long time.

As far as him not developing maturity, I think HD and staff own some of that for sure. But from my admittedly limited view, I’d guess Cadeau owns most of it. The staff probably felt hamstrung disciplining him, benching him, or coming down on him much at all, for fear of the portal. Chalk this kid-gloves dynamic up as one more challenge in the new transfer-crazy era.

Not gonna shed any tears if he goes. I don’t give a flying crap what it does to the lineup as long as it benefits the culture. If he stays, I’ll hope for the best regarding a huge leap forward in basketball IQ, and especially in maturity and toughness.
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This is basically where I land with EC. I also feel UNC is limited by his lack of size. He, like RJ, often had difficulty dealing with teams that had NBA size like dook, Alabama and Auburn.
 
UNC's problem isn't that its point guard is short - it's that it doesn't have enough good bigs to compensate. Cadeau is a bad fit in the new era because he doesn't use space well - he tends to engage the defender when he has space (unlike RJ, for instance, who creates separation from no space).

There's no reason why a different point guard at the same size can't succeed at Carolina.
 
Bigs23 said:
There’s probably going to be multiple upgrades available in the portal at every position. I’m not worried about who leaves as long as UNC can secure better players who are better fits.
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You keep slinging this happy horseshit in the face of all evidence and track record to the contrary.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Yeah, I think the idea that you can easily upgrade in the portal is misguided. You certainly can upgrade, but the majority of players in the portal are either guys who struggled to get the minutes/opportunities they thought they deserved at major programs, or guys who put up good numbers at mid-majors or on bad teams but haven’t proven they can compete on a high quality P5-type team.

As for the players in the portal who have either proven themselves or show a great deal of potential, there’s a lot competition to land them. And you can no longer rely on a program’s long term history and tradition; the battle to land a highly sought-after player in the portal mostly comes down to winning a bidding war. Perhaps a good recent track record of turning out first round draft picks and NBA stars helps as well, but unfortunately UNC is a little behind in that department these days. Even with the highly sought-after players in the portal, with many— if not most— of them you’re still rolling dice, hoping they deliver.

And honestly, I don’t think the portal is going to have many point guards who are better than Cadeau.
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And the message it's sending isn't good, either. If it's not about getting more money elsewhere, and it's not because he knows they are bringing in a better PG and he might not start, then he would be leaving just because he isn't happy playing there and doesn't like the program/coaching.
 
gregh1 said:
This is such a weird era. Seth wants to start but hasn't really earned it IMO as a PG or an off-guard for a team that needs shooters. At least not in the HD system . So if he can flourish somewhere else then it sucks for fans of watching players develop, but more power to him.
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Seth basically played starter minutes for us last year. if he expects to play more than 28 mpg at a major program, I think he's going to be disappointed. He brings some really good qualities to the table but he has a set of defined weaknesses that make him really hard to fit on a lot of teams: he's undersiz
 
Copy and paste from Bensherman on IC
Next year's roster needs a PG, needs a wing scorer. That's on UNC to figure out.
 
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