Hubert Davis Catch-all

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I think if UNC has finally decided to fully accept the new completely sucky reality of college basketball and Hubert has the resources to pay kids he wants then I see no reason we can't be successful. I hate it down to my bones but the old way simply won't work any more. I think Hubert can at least make it a bit of a hybrid instead of pure mercenary basketball which IMO is a good thing
 
As THans said after the game, there is still a lot of work left to be done. And that is a good thing. HD/staff have many more opportunities to show us, all of us, that they have grown. They have many games left to build off of this great win, continue improving, and stop being inconsistent. Imo, the best way to shut up all of the "anti-HD" crowd, and those of us critical of his coaching to date, is to play well, consistently. They need to go into Miami tomorrow night and not start off slow/unprepared, not have to make a big comeback, not play bad for extended minutes during the game. Just be consistently good.
 
Bigs23 said:
Nope. Bill Belichick is not Hubert Davis. If Hubert went 10-20 and embarrassed the university I would not be defending him.
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You certainly pick and choose when it's appropritate to support the coach
heel79 said:
Lots of confidence that Mingo will announce for Heels this week. That would continue bsime momentum.
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Would be great news for sure, however Rell certainly tempered expectations for how his game will translate to this level. Certainly seems like he would be better on the wing as opposed to PG.
 
Bill Belichick has ZERO ties to UNC.

His connection to UNC is $10 million a year and what we pay his overpaid sons and his overpaid BFF Mike Lombardi and Lombardi’s overpaid son (who might be our QB coach).

Hubert is a 4-year player (who worked himself into being an NBA player from being a recruiting afterthought).

We know Hubert is competitive as hell and works HARD.

Did Hubert hit the ground running like 1967-69 Dean Smith? No. 1991 Roy Williams? No.

Neither Roy Williams nor Dean Smith dealt with the transfer portal or NIL or the other money flowing thru NCAA sports.

Let me know which coach out there will (A) come to UNC; (B) win more than 70% of his games; (C) not be a K or Calipari-esque turd.
 
Zoo_View said:
Bill Belichick has ZERO ties to UNC.

His connection to UNC is $10 million a year and what we pay his overpaid sons and his overpaid BFF Mike Lombardi and Lombardi’s overpaid son (who might be our QB coach).

Hubert is a 4-year player (who worked himself into being an NBA player from being a recruiting afterthought).

We know Hubert is competitive as hell and works HARD.

Did Hubert hit the ground running like 1967-69 Dean Smith? No. 1991 Roy Williams? No.

Neither Roy Williams nor Dean Smith dealt with the transfer portal or NIL or the other money flowing thru NCAA sports.

Let me know which coach out there will (A) come to UNC; (B) win more than 70% of his games; (C) not be a K or Calipari-esque turd.
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The Dean Smith mention to me is interesting. After four seasons, Dean had a .500 season and a losing season. It would be season six before Dean's team distinguished themselves with three straight trips to the Final Four. Dean was 0-6 in the FF before he won a title. it was much easier than to make a FF as there were fewer teams that danced and much less talent (it is true had to win the ACC to get in the dance, at least until mid-1970s I think it was).
I keep saying WWDD. What would Dean Do? Dean Smith is probably rolling in his grave at the thought that there is such an effort to oust Hubert.
People talk about inconsistency. Dean and Roy had plenty of headscratchers in their day. They are also among, IMO, the top give coaches of all times, not just for winning, but for other traits, including integrity, many of which they handed off to Hurbert.
If Dean arose tomorrow, or Roy took a successful dip into the Fountain of Youth, and either said, "Hubert, you gotta go, I want to coach," I would say, "thanks Hubert, see ya."
Not happening.
What might happen, however, is that we lose as a 1.5 fav on the road tonight to a pretty good Miami team. And if that happens, we all know what happens next. Hubert is given no margin for error. None.
Again, Dean was 0-6 in FF and it took the GOAT, Worthy and Perkins to fix that.
No. I did not disparage Dean. I think he is the greatest coach and perhaps person of all time. But his teams laid plenty of eggs.
 
Zoo_View said:
Bill Belichick has ZERO ties to UNC.

His connection to UNC is $10 million a year and what we pay his overpaid sons and his overpaid BFF Mike Lombardi and Lombardi’s overpaid son (who might be our QB coach).

Hubert is a 4-year player (who worked himself into being an NBA player from being a recruiting afterthought).

We know Hubert is competitive as hell and works HARD.

Did Hubert hit the ground running like 1967-69 Dean Smith? No. 1991 Roy Williams? No.

Neither Roy Williams nor Dean Smith dealt with the transfer portal or NIL or the other money flowing thru NCAA sports.

Let me know which coach out there will (A) come to UNC; (B) win more than 70% of his games; (C) not be a K or Calipari-esque turd.
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On top of that, Dean didn’t have to deal with OAD. And while Roy had to deal with it for about half of his head coaching career, he didn’t have to deal with guys who were questionable first round picks being OAD until late in his career.

Another thing related to that that Dean didn’t have to deal with is having guys who weren’t going to be first round draft picks— if they got drafted at all— leaving early to go pro. Roy didn’t have to deal with that until later in his career.
 
heel79 said:
The Dean Smith mention to me is interesting. After four seasons, Dean had a .500 season and a losing season. It would be season six before Dean's team distinguished themselves with three straight trips to the Final Four. Dean was 0-6 in the FF before he won a title. it was much easier than to make a FF as there were fewer teams that danced and much less talent (it is true had to win the ACC to get in the dance, at least until mid-1970s I think it was).
I keep saying WWDD. What would Dean Do? Dean Smith is probably rolling in his grave at the thought that there is such an effort to oust Hubert.
People talk about inconsistency. Dean and Roy had plenty of headscratchers in their day. They are also among, IMO, the top give coaches of all times, not just for winning, but for other traits, including integrity, many of which they handed off to Hurbert.
If Dean arose tomorrow, or Roy took a successful dip into the Fountain of Youth, and either said, "Hubert, you gotta go, I want to coach," I would say, "thanks Hubert, see ya."
Not happening.
What might happen, however, is that we lose as a 1.5 fav on the road tonight to a pretty good Miami team. And if that happens, we all know what happens next. Hubert is given no margin for error. None.
Again, Dean was 0-6 in FF and it took the GOAT, Worthy and Perkins to fix that.
No. I did not disparage Dean. I think he is the greatest coach and perhaps person of all time. But his teams laid plenty of eggs.
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Re: the last paragraph, Dean was 3-6 in the FF before 1982, having played in three championship games.
 
heel79 said:
The Dean Smith mention to me is interesting. After four seasons, Dean had a .500 season and a losing season. It would be season six before Dean's team distinguished themselves with three straight trips to the Final Four. Dean was 0-6 in the FF before he won a title. it was much easier than to make a FF as there were fewer teams that danced and much less talent (it is true had to win the ACC to get in the dance, at least until mid-1970s I think it was).
I keep saying WWDD. What would Dean Do? Dean Smith is probably rolling in his grave at the thought that there is such an effort to oust Hubert.
People talk about inconsistency. Dean and Roy had plenty of headscratchers in their day. They are also among, IMO, the top give coaches of all times, not just for winning, but for other traits, including integrity, many of which they handed off to Hurbert.
If Dean arose tomorrow, or Roy took a successful dip into the Fountain of Youth, and either said, "Hubert, you gotta go, I want to coach," I would say, "thanks Hubert, see ya."
Not happening.
What might happen, however, is that we lose as a 1.5 fav on the road tonight to a pretty good Miami team. And if that happens, we all know what happens next. Hubert is given no margin for error. None.
Again, Dean was 0-6 in FF and it took the GOAT, Worthy and Perkins to fix that.
No. I did not disparage Dean. I think he is the greatest coach and perhaps person of all time. But his teams laid plenty of eggs.
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Not even Roy Williams knows what Dean would think about a new arena or Hubert as a coach, much less a random message board poster than never knew the man. Extremely presumptuous and cringeworthy when people say weird shit like this.
 
finesse said:
And today neither team that played in all three would have stayed together.
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Yeah, I think about what things would have been like had OAD been the norm ever since freshmen became eligible. Players who likely would have been OAD in those first 10 years include:
Walter Davis
Phil Ford
Mike O’Koren
Al Wood
James Worthy
Sam Perkins
Michael Jordan
And then you have all the guys who would have transferred had the portal and NIL been a thing.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Yeah, I think about what things would have been like had OAD been the norm ever since freshmen became eligible. Players who likely would have been OAD in those first 10 years include:
Walter Davis
Phil Ford
Mike O’Koren
Al Wood
James Worthy
Sam Perkins
Michael Jordan
And then you have all the guys who would have transferred had the portal and NIL been a thing.
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Well, freshman weren't eligible Walter's first year,iirc.

The transfers might would have astounded people. I've heard a number of stories about a number of players who were really unhappy early who later fell in love with the program. I can't remember particular names or speak for their accuracy but I want to say some were first hand accounts.
 
finesse said:
Well, freshman weren't eligible Walter's first year,iirc.

The transfers might would have astounded people. I've heard a number of stories about a number of players who were really unhappy early who later fell in love with the program. I can't remember particular names or speak for their accuracy but I want to say some were first hand accounts.
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They were eligible then. 1972-73 (Kupchak’s freshman year) was the first year of freshman eligibility. It was Davis’s freshman year (1974) when he hit that shot to beat Duke in the 8 points in 17 seconds comeback.
 
Icky Mettle said:
They were eligible then. 1972-73 (Kupchak’s freshman year) was the first year of freshman eligibility. It was Davis’s freshman year (1974) when he hit that shot to beat Duke in the 8 points in 17 seconds comeback.
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You're right. I was confusing Ford being the first to start as a freshman. Getting old and too many memories to keep straight.
 
Peppers49 said:
Not even Roy Williams knows what Dean would think about a new arena or Hubert as a coach, much less a random message board poster than never knew the man. Extremely presumptuous and cringeworthy when people say weird shit like this.
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Fair enough. Google dean smith on firing coaches. Among what you will find is that dean believed in stability over change and a coach needs 5 to 6 years before his ability is judged. Add that Hubert is former player, shares many of dean's off-court traits and averages 25 wins during a transitional time, is 19-4 now, I think these are pretty easy dots to connect. A better stance for you would just be to say who cares what Dean would do.
 
heel79 said:
Fair enough. Google dean smith on firing coaches. Among what you will find is that dean believed in stability over change and a coach needs 5 to 6 years before his ability is judged. Add that Hubert is former player, shares many of dean's off-court traits and averages 25 wins during a transitional time, is 19-4 now, I think these are pretty easy dots to connect. A better stance for you would just be to say who cares what Dean would do.
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No, that’s not my stance at all. I just don’t pretend to know the details of what the man would think about college basketball in 2026 and use that as some sort of “gotcha” to justify my own opinions. I think that’s weirdly presumptuous and borderline disrespectful.
 
Peppers49 said:
No, that’s not my stance at all. I just don’t pretend to know the details of what the man would think about college basketball in 2026 and use that as some sort of “gotcha” to justify my own opinions. I think that’s weirdly presumptuous and borderline disrespectful.
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Like I said there is info on this if interested. Just look.
 
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