Iran Catch-All | Protester Massacre? CBS reports 12,000+ killed

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gregh1 said:
I'm sure there are people who don't take Islamic extremism extremely, but why do you think Democrats or liberal voters fit into this category more than Indy or Repub/conservatives?
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Because Democrats, by far, are the ones I hear/see blaming the behavior of terrorists on most anything they can come up with..other than religion.
 
superrific said:
I know. But those countries are more rivals than enemies, at least as I understand it. I really don't have a problem with the US having a sort of global nuclear umbrella. Anyone who uses a nuke will be nuked by us.
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This is fair although the line between "rival" and "enemy" is thin and crossed numerous times - they certainly use proxies against each other in numerous fields of battle. I think the real risk is using a nuclear Iran as pretense for their own nuclear ambitions and thereby creating a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.
 

Trump Won’t Sign G7 Statement Calling for Middle East Calm After Mulling Bombing Iran​


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Trump Won’t Sign G7 Statement Calling for Middle East Calm After Mulling Bombing Iran

Trump does not intend to sign the document in Canada alongside his Canadian and European counterparts at the G7 summit in Alberta.
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“… The network’s Kevin Liptak reported that a draft statement affirms Israel’s right to self-defense and opposes Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. It also calls for cooler heads to prevail amid days of Israeli attacks on Iran and Iranian counterstrikes on Israel.

Trump does not intend to sign the document in Canada alongside his Canadian and European counterparts at the summit in Alberta.

… Trump’s reported decision not to sign the document comes just a day after Trump toldABC News he had not ruled out direct military intervention in Iran in support of Israel.

“We’re not involved in it. It’s possible we could get involved,” Trump said on Sunday. “But we are not at this moment involved.”

While Trump has not ruled out using the U.S. military against Iran, he has reportedly urged restraint regarding taking out political leadership in Iran.…”
 
ZenMode said:
Because Democrats, by far, are the ones I hear/see blaming the behavior of terrorists on most anything they can come up with..other than religion.
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When terrorists attack abortion clinics the blame from Dems, by far, is like 99% religion. But even then we call those people radicalized. The bible is their excuse or reason, though the bible doesn't instruct death to abortion providers. Just like the horrific violence in the Crusades wasn't mandated in the first or new testament, i don't think. Similarly violent muslim jihadists are becoming radicalized by factors. The Koran and Bible can both be interpreted radically if you take things out of context and you are pissed-off, disturbed, brain-washed and desperate.
 
gregh1 said:
The Koran and Bible can both be interpreted radically if you take things out of context and you are pissed-off, disturbed, brain-washed and desperate.
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That sounds a lot like making excuses.

I'm not saying there are radicalized people in other religions. I'm saying that Dems, in general, do not take the religious aspect as seriously as they should. They do not understand how much the promise of afterlife plays into the behavior of not only Jihadists, but also a significant number of civilians.
 
If this is true, Russia isn't doing shit on behalf of Iran.

Khamenei calls Trump's buddy, Putin, and says "Can you tell Trump to tell Israel to stop beating our ass?"

(Putin calls Trump)

Putin: Hi Donald. Happy Birthday. Can you tell Israel to stop beating Iran's ass?

Trump: No

(Putin goes back to Iran)

Putin: You guys better make a deal or your regime is gone.

Following the conversation, in which Trump likely made it clear that he would not restrain Israel, Putin sent a warning to Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, stating that his regime is in danger. Putin informed Khamenei of the call's outcomes and advised him to move quickly toward negotiations. Additionally, Putin ordered the evacuation of Russian embassy personnel from Tehran.
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Exclusive: Putin's warning to Iran after Trump call

Putin, being told by Trump he won't impose restrain on Israel, warned Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, stating that his regime is in danger.
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ZenMode said:

Come On What GIF by MOODMAN​

Former Dem VP pick Tim Walz claims China may have world’s ‘moral authority’ after Israel attacks Iran​


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Former Dem VP pick Tim Walz claims China may have world’s ‘moral authority’ after Israel attacks Iran

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz made an astounding claim Friday about which nation has the “moral authority” to de-escalate the conflict between Iran and Israel after the Jewish state carried o…
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I don't see the issue with that comment. He's not saying China is moral. He's saying China has credibility with both Iran and Israel, which is correct. We have credibility with Israel but not with Iran. Russia has credibility with Iran but not with Israel. China is the only superpower that has leverage with both. What's wrong with that observation?
 
Lando said:
I don't forsee them being our allies after all of this. I can see us helping make a mess of things, but I see very little chance we will help in the aftermath. The goal will be to blow stuff up in a country we haven't liked for half a century, that can be sold to the public. A strong Iran with friends in the West? Plenty of people won't like that so it's out.
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I'm with TarSpiel and I believe we can still be very strong allies with Iran. We once were. It makes sense. They are our natural allies in the region. They have an ancient, complex, fascinating history and culture with incredible poetry, music and art. They have been duped. The Iranian peoples deserve so much better and I hope for great things down the road. A very young population and the youth by and large love the US.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
We aren't sending ground troops into Iran. The most we would do would be airstrikes and cruise missiles.
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We won’t even do that. We don’t need to. Israel has total air superiority. We might sell Israel a bunker buster bomb and loan them a stealth bomber to deliver it.
 
05C40 said:
Yet another mess a Republican President is going to hand his Drmocratic successor. The Republicans will then complain about how long it is taking the Democrats to clean up their mess
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What planet are you living on? What did Biden leave to clean up. Maybe the least aware comment ever on the zzl. And that others agreed is beyond pathetic and shows their grasp of reality.
 
ZenMode said:

Come On What GIF by MOODMAN​

Former Dem VP pick Tim Walz claims China may have world’s ‘moral authority’ after Israel attacks Iran​


nypost.com

Former Dem VP pick Tim Walz claims China may have world’s ‘moral authority’ after Israel attacks Iran

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz made an astounding claim Friday about which nation has the “moral authority” to de-escalate the conflict between Iran and Israel after the Jewish state carried o…
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This is the dim party in a nutshell. Just beyond anything approaching reality. And he is a major player in the party.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't know where the Fordow plant is, but it could be a foreshadowing of a taking it out which, considering how far underground it is, would likely cause some serious collateral damage
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It is a half mile underground. You can't take it out with the (known) equipment Israel has.
 
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“Kooky Tucker Carlson”

In any event, I guess Trump has been convinced to more directly help Israel?
 
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