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Israel Hamas War, West Bank, Etc. | Hostilities resume

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RaiGuy said:
Really? Cut and dry? Again, you still haven’t responded to this, why if Israel has nothing to hide are they blocking third party investigators and media? Also, as I stated before, they use bombs that don’t create craters (made in the USA). They also 100% fabricated a recording that they claimed was a call between IJ members that was laughably fake. The accents aren’t right and the whole conversation sounded staged. It’s similar to the evidence about the underground tunnel where the soldier was pointing to a calendar saying that it was a name of Hamas members when it was clearly just the days of the week.
And you’re defending this one hospital attack, but again, what about every other hospital and school in Gaza? Hamas can’t operate everywhere. There were reports that maybe only 2% of the population was Hamas, yet Israel has destroyed or damaged almost all the infrastructure in Gaza because they claim Hamas use it. If you believe that to be true, I don’t know what to tell you.

Also, you never answered the question I asked a while ago about your background with that region.
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Yes, cut and dry. Israel didn’t control access to the hospital when it was struck by the rocket…Hamas did. Israel was in the opening part of its war when the hospital incident occurred. Intelligence from multiple independent western nations quickly determined through video and photographic evidence as well as analysis of the trajectory of PIJ rockets that were fired shortly before the explosion that Israel had nothing to do with to with it. Why would Israel divert ground forces from its operations to engage in a battle at a hospital just to prove something that had already been proven?

With regard to your second question, Hamas doesn’t operate out of fixed bases. It is highly mobile and also operates from tunnels that are located underneath much of Gaza. It routinely uses schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings to conduct military operations…the same was confirmed by none other than the UN even years before this latest escalation occurred.

I don’t have any background in Israel or Palestine. I’m an observer just like 99% of other Americans. I have been following the situation for my entire adult life, however.
 
SmilingJack said:
Not to me or many on here? Your confidence implies absolutes that don't exist.
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I can’t control how you feel about something or interpret information. I trust our intelligence much more than I trust a Hamas spokesperson. I also trust the British, the Germans, the Australians, etc when they all independently reach the same conclusion. I also trust my eyes. But, everyone is different.
 
nycfan said:
Israel expands hostilities with “pre-emptive strike” on Hezbollah? Or defensive action to prevent expanded Hezbollah attack?



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Defensive action? Israel has been sporadically bombing them for a while (even some before Oct 7th). By Israel’s logic, Lebanon has a right to defend itself. Israel does a great job of always somehow being the victim when they’re the ones stacking up a body count.
 
RaiGuy said:
Defensive action? Israel has been sporadically bombing them for a while (even some before Oct 7th). By Israel’s logic, Lebanon has a right to defend itself. Israel does a great job of always somehow being the victim when they’re the ones stacking up a body count.
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Nasrallah has also repeatedly vowed to destroy Israel. “It is an aggressive, illegal and illegitimate entity, which has no future in our land,” he said in 2005. “It’s destination is manifested in our motto, ‘Death to Israel’.”
 
RaiGuy said:
Defensive action? Israel has been sporadically bombing them for a while (even some before Oct 7th). By Israel’s logic, Lebanon has a right to defend itself. Israel does a great job of always somehow being the victim when they’re the ones stacking up a body count.
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When a terrorist group is literally launching missiles at your cities, you have the right to take out those missile batteries. Kudos though to Hezbollah and the IDF for showing how war should be conducted...the missile batteries were in forested areas away from the population and the strikes only killed 3 people.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
When a terrorist group is literally launching missiles at your cities, you have the right to take out those missile batteries. Kudos though to Hezbollah and the IDF for showing how war should be conducted...the missile batteries were in forested areas away from the population and the strikes only killed 3 people.
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I guess it’s fine for Israel to launch missiles into Lebanon goading them into a response so then Israel is the victim. Israel behaves as a terrorist organization.
 
RaiGuy said:
I guess it’s fine for Israel to launch missiles into Lebanon goading them into a response so then Israel is the victim. Israel behaves as a terrorist organization.
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Hezbollah has been launching missiles into Israel for months. I suppose Israel is just supposed to allow a foreign terrorist group to launch missiles at its citizens without responding?
 
Batt Boy said:
Nasrallah has also repeatedly vowed to destroy Israel. “It is an aggressive, illegal and illegitimate entity, which has no future in our land,” he said in 2005. “Its destination is manifested in our motto, ‘Death to Israel’.”
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Isn’t it just as bad when Israeli government officials make reference to “greater Israel” which includes Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, etc…? Does that give those countries a right to attack Israel because of that?
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
Hezbollah has been launching missiles into Israel for months. I suppose Israel is just supposed to allow a foreign terrorist group to launch missiles at its citizens without responding?
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Israel has been doing strikes on Israel off and on for years. Hezbollah gave them countless warnings to stop but Israel kept doing it.
 
RaiGuy said:
Israel has been doing strikes on Israel off and on for years. Hezbollah gave them countless warnings to stop but Israel kept doing it.
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Yes, Israel has struck targets from a terrorist group that has launched thousands of missiles into Israel over the same time period, just like any other country would do. But I suppose it is only bad when the Jews defend themselves.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
Yes, Israel has struck targets from a terrorist group that has launched thousands of missiles into Israel over the same time period, just like any other country would do. But I suppose it is only bad when the Jews defend themselves.
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You’re playing the anti-Semitic card? lol
I said nothing about Jews. Israel doesn’t represent Judaism. Your logic is flawed. That would be like me saying that you think it’s bad when Muslims defend themselves if I am talking about Iran retaliating to Israel.

Also, Hezbollah is an official party of the Lebanese government. Only Israel is allowed to bomb neighboring countries as acts of “self-defense” and then plays the victim card if those countries retaliate.
 
RaiGuy said:
You’re playing the anti-Semitic card? lol
I said nothing about Jews. Israel doesn’t represent Judaism. Your logic is flawed. That would be like me saying that you think it’s bad when Muslims defend themselves if I am talking about Iran retaliating to Israel.

Also, Hezbollah is an official party of the Lebanese government. Only Israel is allowed to bomb neighboring countries as acts of “self-defense” and then plays the victim card if those countries retaliate.
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Launching thousands of missiles at a sovereign nation because "they don't deserve to exist" isn't "self-defense". No other nation on the planet would be expected to simply sit by and let a terrorist group set up missile launchers on its border and launch thousands of missiles at its cities. Kudos to Israel for taking them out. As it stands, Hezbollah has indicated that they do not plan to retaliate, so Israel's actions last night likely saved many lives on both sides. Perhaps Hamas should take notes.
 
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