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I can post links showing where current polling stands on both Palestinian and Israeli sides. A great majority of both groups do not support the two state solution in this post 10/07 era. There are various reasons for this lack of support but the bottom line is that - as I note previously - both sides think they can wait it out. This is the crux of the conflict - not the occupation - because this idea, that our side can have it all if we wait it out, is why there was never a Palestinian state created in 1947. It's also why the Arabs invaded Israel over and over again. It's why Israel occupied the West Bank, Gaza, Golan - it's why we have never had a real agreement for peace.

I agree that the 2 state solution is the ONLY solution, but that is a long term goal. Israel is not going to acquiesce to a Palestinian state in this post 10/07 era anytime soon.

My hope is for some sort of provisional authority that can manage Gaza's infrastructure that is both Palestinian, Arab, and Intl. Israel will not disengage militarily - so any governing body will be viewed skeptically by the Palestinians - and justifiably so - but it's naive to think Israel will just disengage.
 
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Bibi was trying to sabotage or delay a ceasefire, IMO. Fucking traitor to humanity.

And Fuck Hamas, of course — they took these folks hostage and they held them all this time and they murdered them rather than let them be freed by IDF force.
 
www.nytimes.com

Middle East Crisis: Grief Mixes With Anger After Recovery of 6 Dead Hostages

One of the hostages, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, was an American citizen. Israelis lashed out at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, accusing him of torpedoing efforts to secure a cease-fire in exchange for the hostages’ release.
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The Israeli military said on Sunday that six bodies found in Gaza were hostages who had been “brutally murdered” by Hamas, setting off a wave of nationwide grief mixed with anger.

Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the military’s chief spokesman, said the bodies had been recovered a day earlier from a tunnel underneath the city of Rafah in southern Gaza, close to where a seventh hostage, Farhan al-Qadi, was found alive last week.

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Advocates for the hostages and members of Mr. Netanyahu’s political opposition swiftly accused the Israeli leader of torpedoing monthslong efforts to broker a deal with Hamas for a cease-fire in Gaza and the release of hostages, further imperiling them.

“For 11 months, the government of Israel led by Netanyahu failed to do what is expected of a government — to bring its sons and daughters home,” a group representing the families of hostages said in a statement. “Netanyahu: Enough of the excuses. Enough of the spin. Enough of the abandonment.”

The raw responses to the deaths — Israel’s military said an initial assessment showed the hostages had been killed by Hamas shortly before being found — put into focus the stark divisions within Israel over the war.

Many hostage families and their supporters have called for a deal with Hamas without delay, even if it leaves the group intact. Mr. Netanyahu and his allies have said a bad deal with Hamas could put Israel’s long-term security at risk.

On Sunday, Israel’s defense minister, Yoav Gallant, appeared to protest Mr. Netanyahu’s approach to the cease-fire negotiations. He responded to news of the dead hostages by calling for the reversal of a cabinet decision last week to keep Israel’s forces in the Philadelphi Corridor, a narrow strip of land along the border of Gaza and Egypt that Israeli officials say Hamas has used to smuggle in weapons.

Hamas has demanded a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, including from the corridor. In the cabinet meeting last week, Mr. Gallant strongly opposed the decision, insinuating that it was tantamount to abandoning the hostages, Israel’s Channel 12 reported.

Yair Lapid, the leader of the opposition, publicly accused Mr. Netanyahu on Sunday of turning his back on the hostages.
 

Anger in Israel after IDF says six hostages were ‘brutally murdered’​


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  • Israel’s military recovered the bodies of six hostages it said Hamas had killed in Gaza, including Hersh Goldberg-Polin, the Israel-American captive who became one of the most widely recognized faces of the hostage crisis.
  • Three of the six hostages whose bodies were recovered had been expected to be released during the first phase of an eventual ceasefire agreement, two Israeli officials have told CNN.
  • Protests have started across Israel, and fresh anger is growing toward Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for failing to secure the release of hostages still held in Gaza. The Hostage Families Forum told him Sunday: “Stop blaming everyone. Take responsibility for your failures.” …”
 
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Spontaneous demonstrations erupt across Israel as people demand Gaza deal​

From CNN's Tamar Michaelis
A number of protests are taking place across Israel following the recovery of the bodies of six hostages in Gaza, with demonstrators’ anger directed at the government’s handling of the crisis.

Protests have occurred or are ongoing in Tel Aviv, Ra’anana, Rehovot and Be’er Sheva.

In several instances, protesters have blocked roads – demanding an immediate agreement to secure the remaining hostages’ release.

The banner at one protest read: “Look them in the eyes.” …”
 
IDF spokesman on CNN now says this was not a specific mission to release the hostages, they just happened to find these “recently murdered” bodies … will take a while to figure out how recently.

Claims it is not the question whether presence of IDF soldiers precipitated the Hamas murder of the six hostages …
 
It's almost as if Netanyahu laughs and cheers everytime another dead hostage is found, as if he believes every new murder strengthens his grip on power. This whole notion the more disaster that befalls a nation that can be blamed on "the other" the better, really is a unifying feature of right-wing politics world-wide.

What an absolutely despicable concept to base one's life on. And even worse, apparently it works.
 
Harris official statement potentially gives Bibi some cover by omission of ceasefire references, though focus on hostage release points toward a ceasefire.

 
Hamas is a band of murderers. May they rot in hell.
However, how is Netanyahu still Prime Minister almost a year after such a disastrous raid. There is no accountability by Israel. And you can’t kill another 30,000 Civilians to keep your job.
 
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