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Israel Hamas War, West Bank, Etc. | Hostilities resume

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RaiGuy said:
That is not the reason that Israel is “constantly threatened and bombed.” The reason for that is that they are constantly threatening and killing Palestinians and attack neighboring countries without repercussions. You can instigate people and expect them to sit quietly and take it.

Well, the reason Israel is being criticized more than Hamas after Oct 7 because Israel has slaughtered over 40k (nearly half children) and are continuing to do so. If Hamas was doing that, we would be condemning them now. Doesn’t mean we support them because we’re not actively condemning their actions.

Also, the use of the Hannibal directive was reported by Israeli media. It’s not a conspiracy.
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It’s conspiracy. The left wing media that reported it used electronic intifada as a source. Who in every article I’ve read make the purely speculative jump that because a few Israelis were killed by friendly fire majority of the casualties were from IDF? It’s nonsense.

Also my first cousin is on the USS Lincoln, Iran and Hezbollah/Houthis are going to find out if they don’t settle down soon. Lincoln being nearby is pretty strong show of force and is what diplomacy looks like. Can’t imagine things continue to escalate. My first cousin is a female and she helps steer it. :)
 
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ecgriff said:
It’s conspiracy. The left wing media that reported it used electronic intifada as a source. Who in every article I’ve read make the purely speculative jump that because a few Israelis were killed by friendly fire majority of the casualties were from IDF? It’s nonsense.

Also my first cousin is on the USS Lincoln, Iran and Hezbollah/Houthis are going to find out if they don’t settle down soon. Lincoln being nearby is pretty strong show of force and is what diplomacy looks like. Can’t imagine things continue to escalate. My first cousin is a female and she helps steer it. :)
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No, Haaretz reported it IDF officers invoked defunct 'Hannibal Protocol' during Oct. 7 fighting - report | The Times of Israel
I would link their article but it’s behind a paywall.

Also, I’ve asked this many times before and have yet to hear an answer. Why has Israel blocked external investigators? All the Oct 7th evidence has only been from the IDF and outside sources were restricted.
 
RaiGuy said:
No, Haaretz reported it IDF officers invoked defunct 'Hannibal Protocol' during Oct. 7 fighting - report | The Times of Israel
I would link their article but it’s behind a paywall.

Also, I’ve asked this many times before and have yet to hear an answer. Why has Israel blocked external investigators? All the Oct 7th evidence has only been from the IDF and outside sources were restricted.
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It says using unnamed source that the directive was put in place. But the two instances mentioned in article are about a car that Hamas was in with hostages and a house that Hamas was holding hostages in. None of these articles say what you imply they do.If you take a minute to pick thru them there is nothing of substance in any of them.
 
RaiGuy said:
No, Haaretz reported it IDF officers invoked defunct 'Hannibal Protocol' during Oct. 7 fighting - report | The Times of Israel
I would link their article but it’s behind a paywall.

Also, I’ve asked this many times before and have yet to hear an answer. Why has Israel blocked external investigators? All the Oct 7th evidence has only been from the IDF and outside sources were restricted.
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Why would Israel need outside investigators? They are perfectly capable of conducting investigations themselves. That would be like Germany telling the US after 9/11, "hey, we believe you and all but we are going to send our own team to the Pentagon to make sure it wasn't actually struck by a missile." We'd tell them to get lost. Israel doesn't need people from who knows where defiling dead bodies just to assuage some conspiracy theories.
 
Honestly, how is Hamas any different from the Irgun? Only difference is that with technology it is easier to commit more brutal terrorist attacks these days. Both should be condemned for terrorist acts against civilians. As should govts when they use disproportioanate and indisrimant force against civilians
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Irgun - Wikipedia

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RaiGuy said:
Netanyahu could have had them all back months ago, but he continues to put them under unnecessary danger. It's frustrating
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True — he and Ben Gvir and Smotrich saw their chance and went for it, hostages be damned. But Hamas could have let them go immediately or never done O7 in the first place. A lot of bad actors are contributing to this hellscape.
 
nycfan said:
True — he and Ben Gvir and Smotrich saw their chance and went for it, hostages be damned. But Hamas could have let them go immediately or never done O7 in the first place. A lot of bad actors are contributing to this hellscape.
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Very true, but I haven’t seen a soul on this thread excusing Hamas for their role in this mess, but several are JCDing the Israeli government and glossing over their role in perpetuating this situation.
 
farce said:
Very true, but I haven’t seen a soul on this thread excusing Hamas for their role in this mess, but several are JCDing the Israeli government and glossing over their role in perpetuating this situation.
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Yeah, was responding in a vacuum — I tend to skim this thread a lot more than read it — it’s a blood pressure thing.
 
farce said:
Very true, but I haven’t seen a soul on this thread excusing Hamas for their role in this mess, but several are JCDing the Israeli government and glossing over their role in perpetuating this situation.
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A lot of people (not in this thread) have attempted to excuse Hamas for 10/7. Have you seen some of the language from the campus protests? UNC's own SJP celebrated 10/7 just after it happened, and a guest speaker at the university also attempted to justify it.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
A lot of people (not in this thread) have attempted to excuse Hamas for 10/7. Have you seen some of the language from the campus protests? UNC's own SJP celebrated 10/7 just after it happened, and a guest speaker at the university also attempted to justify it.
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Justifying it isn't the same as condoning it. Justifying it means giving a reason to why they acted that way but it doesn't mean that they should have done it. Attacking civilians is always wrong. However, resisting an occupation and fighting back against an oppressor is allowed in the Geneva Conventions. Palestinians have a right to fight back against the Israeli oppression/occupation.
 
RaiGuy said:
Justifying it isn't the same as condoning it. Justifying it means giving a reason to why they acted that way but it doesn't mean that they should have done it. Attacking civilians is always wrong. However, resisting an occupation and fighting back against an oppressor is allowed in the Geneva Conventions. Palestinians have a right to fight back against the Israeli oppression/occupation.
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If they had fought back against military targets, you might have a point. However, someone attempting to justify 10/7 is the same as someone trying to justify 9/11- you can't. Likewise, you can explain why a serial killer might target women (he was abused as a child, he has a psychological disorder, etc) but this does not justify his actions.
 
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