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Just saw an article that said the polio vaccine rollout in Gaza is on hold because of IDF evacuation orders. If this is indeed true, it is beyond unconscionable. I am old enough to remember children with polio. Friends of my parents when I was a kid had a daughter in an iron lung. They were able to afford in home care. I remember going into her room and seeing her in the lung. A woman I worked with caught it but was lucky. It just crippled her right harm. There is no excuse for this to happen. It just is beyond comprehension.
 
You're asking me a question that I don't think either one of us have the answer to.

You keep evading the question, which is pretty much what I expected.

One of Your problems is that you put all Palestinians in the same group as the worst elements of Hamas. It is either intellectually lazy, intellectually dishonest, or both. But, like I said, pretty much par for the course.
 
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Just saw an article that said the polio vaccine rollout in Gaza is on hold because of IDF evacuation orders. If this is indeed true, it is beyond unconscionable. I am old enough to remember children with polio. Friends of my parents when I was a kid had a daughter in an iron lung. They were able to afford in home care. I remember going into her room and seeing her in the lung. A woman I worked with caught it but was lucky. It just crippled her right harm. There is no excuse for this to happen. It just is beyond comprehension.
Sadly, one child is already paralyzed by polio

 
Sadly, one child is already paralyzed by polio

I remember my mother telling me that when she heard the vaccine had been developed and was now available she sat down and cried because she knew I wouldn’t be getting it. To live in a time where the vaccine is a tried and true way to prevent children from getting this terrible disease, and because of the actions of the IDF they can’t get it, is mind boggling.
 
You keep evading the question, which is pretty much what I expected.

One of Your problems is that you put all Palestinians in the same group as the worst elements of Hamas. It is either intellectually lazy, intellectually dishonest, or both. But, like I said, pretty much par for the course.
I'm actually doing the opposite. I've stated numerous times that Hamas is the worst thing to happen to Palestinians, because Hamas uses them as bait and cannon fodder. The Palestinian civilians are victims of Hamas, and life will get better for them whenever Hamas is removed from power.
 
Hundreds of Israeli troops mounted major overnight raids in the occupied West Bank, Israeli officials said Wednesday, targeting Palestinian militants after what they called months of rising attacks. At least nine people were killed, and an Israeli military official said the operation was continuing.

The operation followed months of escalating Israeli raids in the occupied territory, where nearly three million Palestinians live under Israeli military rule. Israel has arrested thousands of Palestinians suspected of involvement in armed groups since the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attacks, an increasingly deadly campaign that has unfolded alongside its war against Hamas in Gaza.
 
Hundreds of Israeli troops mounted major overnight raids in the occupied West Bank, Israeli officials said Wednesday, targeting Palestinian militants after what they called months of rising attacks. At least nine people were killed, and an Israeli military official said the operation was continuing.

The operation followed months of escalating Israeli raids in the occupied territory, where nearly three million Palestinians live under Israeli military rule. Israel has arrested thousands of Palestinians suspected of involvement in armed groups since the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attacks, an increasingly deadly campaign that has unfolded alongside its war against Hamas in Gaza.
Sadly, no one will care about this. However, once it gets bad enough and the Palestinians in the West Bank start fighting back, then Israel will label them terrorist and start it's bombing campaign there
 
Sadly, no one will care about this. However, once it gets bad enough and the Palestinians in the West Bank start fighting back, then Israel will label them terrorist and start it's bombing campaign there

They are fighting back. This was specifically targeted to eliminate Jenin Brigade middle commanders. It will get worse before it gets better in Judea and Samaria for all involved.
 
Sadly, no one will care about this. However, once it gets bad enough and the Palestinians in the West Bank start fighting back, then Israel will label them terrorist and start it's bombing campaign there
Then Lebanon will respond, and Israel will ratchet up attacks there.

Sigh
 


Israeli government and Hamas seem content to run the clock while continuing the carnage.
 
Once the war is over (and Hamas and Netanyahu are out of the way) , we can't make the usual mistake and then refuse to address all the underlying causes of the conflict. Otherwise we will be back here in 5 years. There needs toi be an independent, demilitarized (with a robust intnl peacekeeoing force in place) Palestinian state (run by the Palestinian Authoprity) in the West Bank and Gaza.

The Israeli occupation of the West Bank etc has lasted longer than the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe. Time for the Palestinians to have their independent state. The US needs to quit enabling this occupation and use its muscle to work with other countries and get a long-term solution done. "Forgetting about the problem" has not worked in the past.
 
There is zero will on either side for a two state solution. Until that changes - this situation drags on. Israel will not allow another 10/07 - which means there will likely not be another Israeli disengagement from Gaza any time soon. There is no trust on either side and both sides think they can get "everything they want" if they wait it out. The idea of "now things will be different" is ridiculous. We are further from a Palestinian state now than we have ever been mostly due to the actions from both the Israeli government and the Palestinian leadership.
 
Occupying powers always work to maintain the status quo, for obvious reasons.We can't let the Netanyahu govt spin this any longer. They want to maintain the status quo no matter what, since they know they can hide behind the US.
The fundamental, underlying problem in thje conflict is the 57-year Israeli occuption, and everything else flows in large part from that reality. The occupation must be ended. It is a fundamental injustice by any standard.

Over the years, polls have shown that a majority of Isrealis and Palestinians favor a 2-state solution. On the Israelu side, that comes only so long as full Arab diploamtic recog follows, and the Arab League has offered that multiple times over the past two decades. The Palestinians on the West Bank over the past two decades have shown they want the 2-state solution. The citizens of Gaza have no choice with JAamas in control but the majority would favor a 2-state solution so long as the blockade ended and there was a peacekeeping force to keep the Israeli army out.

The parties not wanting a 2-state are Hamas, and Netanyahu/Likud/religious extremenists and the settlers.

The alterernative to a 2-state solution would be to merge Israel, WB and GAza into one country where everyone is an equal citizen and one person, one ote.. The Israelis do not want that.
 
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