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Israel Hamas War, West Bank, Etc. | Hostilities resume

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TarSpiel said:
This is not complex.

Israel is daily confronted with intel that says "If we bomb this spot here, we'll get a valued Hamas target, but we'll probably kill 10 civilians" and they give the go ahead, time after time. That's why the civilian death toll amongst Palestinian non-combatants is off the charts. (And each time they kill one innocent, the chances of radicalizing one of their relatives goes up exponentially)

People need to stop making excuses for Israel. They do tons of things every day that are morally repugnant. We in the west have let them pass without criticism for far too long.
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That seems likely to be true. When does that ratio become unacceptable when we know that Hamas doesn't care about civilian lives (I'd bet that most civilians don't care about civilian lives) and is intentionally putting them in harms way?

Hamas killed about 1200 civilians in, what, 8 hours? How does that compare to Israel who has access to weapons far beyond those used by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7?
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I'm saying that Hamas is to blame for the hospitals being bombed, as they use hospitals not for medical aid but for military purposes. This has been well-documented throughout this war.
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By "well-documented", do you mean the fabricated evidence that Israel provided? The one where they referred to a calendar with Hamas members' names on it, but instead were just pointing to the days of the week in Arabic? Or the ones they planted one of their laptops as a Hamas laptop? Nothing is "well-documented" by Israel. And again, as I have asked a million times before, why doesn't Israel let in neutral investigators or media? Is it because they don't want their lies exposed?
 
ZenMode said:
That seems likely to be true. When does that ratio become unacceptable when we know that Hamas doesn't care about civilian lives (I'd bet that most civilians don't care about civilian lives) and is intentionally putting them in harms way?

Hamas killed about 1200 civilians in, what, 8 hours? How does that compare to Israel who has access to weapons far beyond those used by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7?
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nice acknowledgement here that the IDF's standards and operating procedures are no better or more humane than those of a terrorist organization.

IDF = hamas

they are NO better.
 
ZenMode said:
(I'd bet that most civilians don't care about civilian lives)
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What? Are you now blaming the victims for their own deaths? What is this "bet" based off of?

This is what Israel wants people to believe as they continue to dehumanize Palestinians and show that they don't put a value on it because they want to be killed. That's why you see major headlines about the 6 Israelis that were killed, but only a footnote about the 54 Palestinians killed in that same day.
 
4thgenheel said:
the civilian death toll in afghanistan was @ 45k after NEARLY TWO DECADES, not 10 freaking months.

also, y'all keep referring to "war" - which countries are at war? this is not a war.
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How about Iraq?

And this is very clearly a war. Israel is at war against Hamas.
 
RaiGuy said:
By "well-documented", do you mean the fabricated evidence that Israel provided? The one where they referred to a calendar with Hamas members' names on it, but instead were just pointing to the days of the week in Arabic? Or the ones they planted one of their laptops as a Hamas laptop? Nothing is "well-documented" by Israel. And again, as I have asked a million times before, why doesn't Israel let in neutral investigators or media? Is it because they don't want their lies exposed?
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I'm referring to evidence from US intelligence, British intelligence, German intelligence, and the United Nations, for starters. And I find it rich that you question my sources when in the previous thread you accepted and posted wild conspiracy theories pushed by Hamas.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
I'm referring to evidence from US intelligence, British intelligence, German intelligence, and the United Nations, for starters. And I find it rich that you question my sources when in the previous thread you accepted and posted wild conspiracy theories pushed by Hamas.
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The US Intelligence is based off of Israeli intelligence (like when Biden claimed he saw the beheaded babies). They just regurgitate what Netanyahu tells them.

Also, what wild conspiracy theories have I mentioned?
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
How about Iraq?

And this is very clearly a war. Israel is at war against Hamas.
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hamas is a terrorist group. israel is a nation state.

mossad just carried out an unbelievably complex assassination at a secure bunker in the middle of tehran and y'all want us to believe that israel has no choice but to murder tens of thousands of innocent palestinians.

israeli propaganda has done a real number on some of you folks.
 
RaiGuy said:
The US Intelligence is based off of Israeli intelligence (like when Biden claimed he saw the beheaded babies). They just regurgitate what Netanyahu tells them.

Also, what wild conspiracy theories have I mentioned?
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The US doesn't have its own intelligence services? Wow. Where does all of that money go?

You promoted the debunked theory that the concert attacks was perpetrated by the IDF, for starters.
 
2ManyBlueCups said:
The US doesn't have its own intelligence services? Wow. Where does all of that money go?

You promoted the debunked theory that the concert attacks was perpetrated by the IDF, for starters.
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Show me where I said that. Not once have I said that. I did, however, say that there were some victims that were killed by friendly fire because of the Hannibal directive, and that came from Israeli sources, not Hamas. Try again.
 
4thgenheel said:
hamas is a terrorist group. israel is a nation state.

mossad just carried out an unbelievably complex assassination at a secure bunker in the middle of tehran and y'all want us to believe that israel has no choice but to murder tens of thousands of innocent palestinians.

israeli propaganda has done a real number on some of you folks.
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You think 10/7 was perpetrated by one person? Is that same person running around Gaza firing thousands of missiles at Israeli citizens? Man, why did the US even have to fire one bullet in World War II when they could have just killed Hitler? Why didn't we kill Bin Laden on 9/12/2001 if it is that easy?
 
ZenMode said:
Israel is, but the world is putting almost impossible expectations on them, especially when Hamas is intentionally using Palestinians as human shield.
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There is pretty much no evidence of the Bibi regime giving a fuck about Palestinians. To the extent that they give the appearance, it's only because they fear being cut off by America, which has apparently has a huge but presumably not unlimited tolerance for IDF atrocities.
 
RaiGuy said:
Show me where I said that. Not once have I said that. I did, however, say that there were some victims that were killed by friendly fire because of the Hannibal directive, and that came from Israeli sources, not Hamas. Try again.
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You literally just stated that the US doesn't have its own intelligence sources in the region and only relies on Israeli intelligence. Your words, not mine. And the "Apaches killed the concert goers" theory was debunked, just like the Israeli attack on the hospital lie was.
 
RaiGuy said:
The US Intelligence is based off of Israeli intelligence (like when Biden claimed he saw the beheaded babies). They just regurgitate what Netanyahu tells them.

Also, what wild conspiracy theories have I mentioned?
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you are just wrong here. the US has considerable intelligence, both human and electronic
 
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