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Are you of the opinion that the only thing that determines whether a genocide has taken place is the civilian to combatant fatality rate?
Nope, but that is an important factor that bears consideration. I'm of the opinion that it is nearly impossible to wage war when your enemy cares less about its own civilians than you do, to the point of bragging about how it tries to "martyr" as many civilians on its side as possible.
 
And if she wins the election despite them sitting it out / voting for Trump she knows that she doesn’t have to meet their demands going forward. That’s the danger of playing chicken.
No one is voting for Trump. However, the way Kamala comes off to them is that she is too arrogant or they are not important enough for her to earn their vote. She just expects them to vote for her because Trump is worse. Imagine people you care for are being mass murdered and starved and someone tells you to wait and see. The problem is that every day we waste waiting is another day that more innocent people die.
No one is playing chicken. Again, it's people that want their voices heard and want the genocide to stop. The real reason Kamala isn't saying much is because she, like most candidates, are terrified of AIPAC.
 
No one is voting for Trump. However, the way Kamala comes off to them is that she is too arrogant or they are not important enough for her to earn their vote. She just expects them to vote for her because Trump is worse. Imagine people you care for are being mass murdered and starved and someone tells you to wait and see. The problem is that every day we waste waiting is another day that more innocent people die.
No one is playing chicken. Again, it's people that want their voices heard and want the genocide to stop. The real reason Kamala isn't saying much is because she, like most candidates, are terrified of AIPAC.
Kamala's husband is Jewish. I don't think she's terrified of AIPAC. She probably simply recognizes that Israel has the right to defend itself without going too far in doing so.
 
Nope, but that is an important factor that bears consideration. I'm of the opinion that it is nearly impossible to wage war when your enemy cares less about its own civilians than you do, to the point of bragging about how it tries to "martyr" as many civilians on its side as possible.
Other important factors that bear consideration:

Israel has used starvation as a weapon of war.

Israel has cut off water and electricity to the Gaza Strip.

Israel has destroyed all of Gaza’s universities and 80% of its schools.

A consensus of genocide historians say Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

Right-wing publications and politicians (including cabinet members and Netanyahu himself) in Isarael have repeatedly engaged in genocidal rhetoric against Palestinians.

Israel has used white phosphorus against the population of Gaza.

The Israeli military has actively impeded humanitarian aid from entering Gaza.

Israel has deliberately targeted health infrastructure and doctors in Gaza.
 
Other important factors that bear consideration:

Israel has used starvation as a weapon of war.

Israel has cut off water and electricity to the Gaza Strip.

Israel has destroyed all of Gaza’s universities and 80% of its schools.

A consensus of genocide historians say Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

Right-wing publications and politicians (including cabinet members and Netanyahu himself) in Isarael have repeatedly engaged in genocidal rhetoric against Palestinians.

Israel has used white phosphorus against the population of Gaza.

The Israeli military has actively impeded humanitarian aid from entering Gaza.

Israel has deliberately targeted health infrastructure and doctors in Gaza.
Many of these are debatable.

Cutting off water and electricity in wartime is not new. Nor does it count as genocide. Water was restored very quickly....expecting to have power in the middle of an active warzone is a bit like expecting to have power in the middle of a hurricane.

Hamas uses Gaza's universities and its schools to store weapons and conduct military operations, rendering them legitimate military targets.

Genocidal rhetoric from an extreme fringe is meaningless. Pro-Hamas protesters have engaged in genocidal rhetoric against Jewish people here in the United States. That does not mean that the United States is committing a genocide against the Jews.

White phosphorus is not banned under international law.

The Israeli military put checkpoints on aid coming in in order to prevent weapons from being smuggled in with the aid. Hamas has stolen aid from Palestinian civilians.

Hamas has used health infrastructure as military command posts and weapons storage depots in the war, in violation of international law. Islamic Jihad also blew up one of Gaza's hospitals with a rocket and tried to blame the same on Israel.
 
Kamala's husband is Jewish. I don't think she's terrified of AIPAC. She probably simply recognizes that Israel has the right to defend itself without going too far in doing so.
Why does that matter? Many of the anti-genocide people are Jewish. AIPAC is pro-Israel, not pro-Jewish. Huge difference. Also, what line does Israel have to cross for it to not go "too far" in defending itself? Mass starvation? Collective punishment? Raping and torturing innocent prisoners? Bombing water supplies? Bombing schools? Bombing hospitals? Bombing "safe areas" where people are in tents? Bombing World Central Kitchen vehicles that were traveling on supposedly safe zones? Sniping children?

None of those are red lines?
 
Many of these are debatable.

Cutting off water and electricity in wartime is not new. Nor does it count as genocide. Water was restored very quickly....expecting to have power in the middle of an active warzone is a bit like expecting to have power in the middle of a hurricane.

Hamas uses Gaza's universities and its schools to store weapons and conduct military operations, rendering them legitimate military targets.

Genocidal rhetoric from an extreme fringe is meaningless. Pro-Hamas protesters have engaged in genocidal rhetoric against Jewish people here in the United States. That does not mean that the United States is committing a genocide against the Jews.

White phosphorus is not banned under international law.

The Israeli military put checkpoints on aid coming in in order to prevent weapons from being smuggled in with the aid. Hamas has stolen aid from Palestinian civilians.

Hamas has used health infrastructure as military command posts and weapons storage depots in the war, in violation of international law. Islamic Jihad also blew up one of Gaza's hospitals with a rocket and tried to blame the same on Israel.
The genocidal rhetoric is coming from the government in charge, not from an extremist fringe.

Just say you’re an apologist for an ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and move on. At least that would be honest.

How are any of the actions being taken by Netanyahu’s government making Israel safer?
 
Why does that matter? Many of the anti-genocide people are Jewish. AIPAC is pro-Israel, not pro-Jewish. Huge difference. Also, what line does Israel have to cross for it to not go "too far" in defending itself? Mass starvation? Collective punishment? Raping and torturing innocent prisoners? Bombing water supplies? Bombing schools? Bombing hospitals? Bombing "safe areas" where people are in tents? Bombing World Central Kitchen vehicles that were traveling on supposedly safe zones? Sniping children?

None of those are red lines?

When Israel's enemies blow up their own hospitals and use hospitals and schools as military command centers and storage depots, those areas are rendered unsafe. I'd argue that the only group aside from a few extreme Israeli politicians that wants a genocide in Gaza is Hamas. They've essentially admitted as such, stating that their goal is to get as many civilians killed as possible in order to help their PR battle. Which accounts for them using hospitals and schools as military facilities.
 
The genocidal rhetoric is coming from the government in charge, not from an extremist fringe.

Just say you’re an apologist for an ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and move on. At least that would be honest.
The genocidal rhetoric is coming from Hamas and its supporters. Great job ignoring 95% of the post, though.
 
Many of these are debatable.

Cutting off water and electricity in wartime is not new. Nor does it count as genocide. Water was restored very quickly....expecting to have power in the middle of an active warzone is a bit like expecting to have power in the middle of a hurricane.

Hamas uses Gaza's universities and its schools to store weapons and conduct military operations, rendering them legitimate military targets.

Genocidal rhetoric from an extreme fringe is meaningless. Pro-Hamas protesters have engaged in genocidal rhetoric against Jewish people here in the United States. That does not mean that the United States is committing a genocide against the Jews.

White phosphorus is not banned under international law.

The Israeli military put checkpoints on aid coming in in order to prevent weapons from being smuggled in with the aid. Hamas has stolen aid from Palestinian civilians.

Hamas has used health infrastructure as military command posts and weapons storage depots in the war, in violation of international law. Islamic Jihad also blew up one of Gaza's hospitals with a rocket and tried to blame the same on Israel.
Cutting off water is a war crime. So we are fine with supporting that?

There was no proof or evidence that Hamas was using the universities for anything, but, as usual, Israel makes allegations like that without anyone questioning it.

White phosphorus is not allowed to be used on civilians.

There was only fabricated evidence about Hamas using the hospitals. None of that was proven. And, on top of that, Israel blocks outside investigators, so their allegations can't be checked by neutral parties.
 
Cutting off water is a war crime. So we are fine with supporting that?

There was no proof or evidence that Hamas was using the universities for anything, but, as usual, Israel makes allegations like that without anyone questioning it.

White phosphorus is not allowed to be used on civilians.

There was only fabricated evidence about Hamas using the hospitals. None of that was proven. And, on top of that, Israel blocks outside investigators, so their allegations can't be checked by neutral parties.
All of this was proven, even by the UN who found weapons caches stored in Palestinian elementary schools. U.S. intelligence also found evidence that Hamas was (and likely still is) using hospitals for military operations.
 
The genocidal rhetoric is coming from Hamas and its supporters. Great job ignoring 95% of the post, though.
No point in responding to someone who is completely bought into propaganda from a far-right government that is sniping children.
 
No point in responding to someone who is completely bought into propaganda from a far-right government that is sniping children.
As opposed to someone who is completely bought into propaganda from a terrorist organization that lights children on fire in front of their parents? Cool. I'm fine placing you on my ignore list, then.
 
The genocidal rhetoric is coming from Hamas and its supporters. Great job ignoring 95% of the post, though.
Have you heard the rhetoric coming from Netanyahu and his cronies? They're spouting genocidal rhetoric AND are acting on it.
 
As opposed to someone who is completely bought into propaganda from a terrorist organization that lights children on fire in front of their parents? Cool. I'm fine placing you on my ignore list, then.
What children were burned in front of their parents? Why are you quick to believe a government that is actively dismembering children with bombs and sniping them?
 
What children were burned in front of their parents? Why are you quick to believe a government that is actively dismembering children with bombs and sniping them?
He's ignorant of basic facts about the situation because he doesn't care. He's a liberal who sees this as a moment in which he can bash "Bernie Bros" and the left at large. These people don't care about the brutality of American foreign policy. He's repeating debunked talking points from months ago. It's like a broken record with the defenders of Israel.

No matter how many designated safe zones are bombed, no matter how many aid shipments are block or delayed, no matter how many children are shredded.
 

He'll ignore the stories about Israel using AI to generate targets for assassination via bombing.

"Formally, the Lavender system is designed to mark all suspected operatives in the military wings of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), including low-ranking ones, as potential bombing targets. The sources told +972 and Local Call that, during the first weeks of the war, the army almost completely relied on Lavender, which clocked as many as 37,000 Palestinians as suspected militants — and their homes — for possible air strikes.

During the early stages of the war, the army gave sweeping approval for officers to adopt Lavender’s kill lists, with no requirement to thoroughly check why the machine made those choices or to examine the raw intelligence data on which they were based. One source stated that human personnel often served only as a “rubber stamp” for the machine’s decisions, adding that, normally, they would personally devote only about “20 seconds” to each target before authorizing a bombing — just to make sure the Lavender-marked target is male. This was despite knowing that the system makes what are regarded as “errors” in approximately 10 percent of cases, and is known to occasionally mark individuals who have merely a loose connection to militant groups, or no connection at all."


He'll ignore the hundreds of instances of incitement and genocidal rhetoric used by Israeli officials against the Palestinian people. Including Netanyahu invoking Amalek.



And he'll ignore the numerous Jewish voices that call out the genocide for what it is. Instead, anyone who calls Israel's campaign a genocide has apparently bought into Hamas propaganda.
 
What children were burned in front of their parents? Why are you quick to believe a government that is actively dismembering children with bombs and sniping them?
There's a whole list of atrocities that Hamas committed on 10/7. They even video recorded a lot of their torturous and murderous actions. I'm not sure why you are attempting to gaslight us into believing that 10/7 wasn't horrific?
 
There's a whole list of atrocities that Hamas committed on 10/7. They even video recorded a lot of their torturous and murderous actions. I'm not sure why you are attempting to gaslight us into believing that 10/7 wasn't horrific?
Huh? Show me one place where I said 10/7 wasn't horrific. Just because something horrific happened doesn't give Israel a green light to wipe out everyone in Gaza. Also, why are you gaslighting us into believing Israel hasn't crossed the line and has the right to do everything it is doing? Are you able to justify how their horrific actions make Israel any safer?
 
Huh? Show me one place where I said 10/7 wasn't horrific. Just because something horrific happened doesn't give Israel a green light to wipe out everyone in Gaza. Also, why are you gaslighting us into believing Israel hasn't crossed the line and has the right to do everything it is doing? Are you able to justify how their horrific actions make Israel any safer?
Israel has absolutely crossed some lines. And Israel isn't "wiping out everyone in Gaza"....not even close to it. Unfortunately, when you are fighting an enemy that has stated that its goal is to murder every single Jewish person in the area, and that has acted on those intentions with devastating consequences, that enemy (in this case, Hamas) cannot be allowed to continue to exist in any meaningful fashion. Hamas knows this, which is why it deliberately uses schools, hospitals, universities, apartment blocks, etc to conduct military operations. The best thing for Palestinians at this point would be for Hamas to cease to exist. Unfortunately, that isn't realistic, but Israel has substantially weakened them.
 
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