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The killing of Sinwar seems to tell us a few things that Israel has lied about.

1. Hamas leaders aren’t hiding in tunnels. Israel has used this excuse to destroy every school, university, hospital, etc in Gaza because supposedly the Hamas leaders are hiding out.

2. Hamas wasn’t using Palestinians or Israeli hostages as human shields. You would think the leader of Hamas would be the most protected.

3. Israeli intelligence can’t be trusted. They were lucky to get Sinwar, but had no clue he was there, yet they supposedly know that random Hamas members are “hiding” in a refugee camp.

None of that makes sense.
 
RaiGuy said:
The killing of Sinwar seems to tell us a few things that Israel has lied about.

1. Hamas leaders aren’t hiding in tunnels. Israel has used this excuse to destroy every school, university, hospital, etc in Gaza because supposedly the Hamas leaders are hiding out.

2. Hamas wasn’t using Palestinians or Israeli hostages as human shields. You would think the leader of Hamas would be the most protected.

3. Israeli intelligence can’t be trusted. They were lucky to get Sinwar, but had no clue he was there, yet they supposedly know that random Hamas members are “hiding” in a refugee camp.

None of that makes sense.
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I don’t think you can conclude any of those three things from the death of Sinwar. Just because he was in a building yesterday doesn’t mean that he has been in that exact same building since the war started. These guys with a target on their backs tend to be very mobile. Additionally, word is that he was very pale which would track with not being in the sunlight for most of the last year. Finally, Hamas has a proven track record of using Palestinian civilians as human shields and has even bragged about doing so. If anything, the killings of Sinwar as well as essentially every single other terrorist on Israel’s most wanted list has validated Israel’s strategy over the past 12 months. They have destroyed Hezbollah and have severely weakened Hamas.
 
Rai, how is your family doing? With the eruption of fighting in Lebanon, and the IDF continuing its business as usual indiscriminate bombings in Gaza, I’ve been thinking about them. Forgive me if I’m treading on a sensitive subject.
 
Patb78 said:
Rai, how is your family doing? With the eruption of fighting in Lebanon, and the IDF continuing its business as usual indiscriminate bombings in Gaza, I’ve been thinking about them. Forgive me if I’m treading on a sensitive subject.
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Thanks for asking. I had a cousin and his family that was able to fly out of Beirut a couple days before the road to the airport was bombed. So they were lucky. My family is originally from parts of what are now Israel, but have distant cousins in Gaza that I don’t know. However, I have many friends locally that have had family members killed (over 100 at least). It’s been a very hard year. Things are getting worse by the day. Israel has cut off communication in northern Gaza again and are committing massacres that can’t be reported because there are barely any journalists still alive there. This was posted by one journalist earlier today:



 
RaiGuy said:
The killing of Sinwar seems to tell us a few things that Israel has lied about.

1. Hamas leaders aren’t hiding in tunnels. Israel has used this excuse to destroy every school, university, hospital, etc in Gaza because supposedly the Hamas leaders are hiding out.

2. Hamas wasn’t using Palestinians or Israeli hostages as human shields. You would think the leader of Hamas would be the most protected.

3. Israeli intelligence can’t be trusted. They were lucky to get Sinwar, but had no clue he was there, yet they supposedly know that random Hamas members are “hiding” in a refugee camp.

None of that makes sense.
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There’s video of him with his family in the tunnels from earlier in the war. From the podcasts I’ve listened to, the tunnels are very unpleasant to be in for long periods (humid, cramped, lack of air), plus we know Israel has destroyed many of them. Don’t think the fact that he was killed above ground really disproves the idea that he and other leaders have been hiding in tunnels.

I’m not quite sure why Israel decided to release that drone video, but then again I don’t understand the majority of decisions those dipshits make.

According to the Times they had reason to believe he was in the area:
www.nytimes.com

Sinwar’s Final Moments: On the Run, Hurt, Alone, but Still Defiant

Israeli forces had been steadily closing in on Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas leader, for weeks before he was cornered and killed in a ruined house in the Gaza Strip.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Someone tried to assassinate Netanyahu with a drone strike but failed.





The world has some awful people in power …

 
Paine said:
So much for hoping Sinwar’s death would reignite cease fire talks.

I never had hope for it since Bibi’s regime has made it clear they’re going to continue their campaign of death and destruction as long as the U.S. lets them.

Violating international law by blocking humanitarian aid? Ok Israel, you’ve got 30 days, then we’ll really slap you on the wrist.
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1. I never understood the "Hamas leader dies; thus Hamas will now surrender" idea. Like, maybe that works in some places (though, aside from Hans Landa's valiant effort to end WWII, which was compelling but perhaps a tad unrealistic), but is there any evidence at all to think Hamas would react that way? I guess there's nothing wrong with hope -- there's an impasse; eliminating the leader at least changes something, and maybe it would be for the better. It's plausible, but I never thought it remotely likely.

2. It takes two to tango and obviously Bibi has no intention of seeking peace. Never has.

3. The problem with your last sentence is that the US and Israel really are close allies -- particularly in intelligence. So putting distance between the two countries is difficult for reasons that go beyond Zionist politics in the US. We would have to rebuild a lot of our intelligence service, and I don't think we have the capability to do that as a nation right now. Obviously I don't speak from experience here, but this is what I've read and it makes sense. There was certainly collaboration on stuxnet and that can't be the extent of it.
 
Purported leaked US intelligence docs appear to show Israel's plans for attack on Iran
If the posts prove authentic, it would signify a major intelligence breach.

Documents purported to show classified U.S. intelligence gathering on Israel's preparations for a potential retaliatory strike on Iran appeared on social media platforms this week. It is unclear what impact the potential leak may have on any Israeli military planning for a possible strike on Iran, or Israeli-American relations.

U.S. officials declined to provide comment when contacted by ABC News about the possible leak of highly-sensitive material.

ABC News could not independently verify the authenticity of the documents, which appear to show specific details about the types and number of munitions that Israel may be readying for a potentially large-scale strike on Iran in retaliation for the regime's late September barrage of almost 200 ballistic missiles aimed at Israel.

The documents posted on social media have markings that would indicate that they originated from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), the U.S. agency that collects, analyzes and distributes intelligence gleaned from satellite and aerial imagery. ABC News is not quoting directly from or showing the documents.

Analysis of overhead satellite imagery is just one of multiple intelligence collection tools that the U.S. intelligence community uses to make strategic assessments or risk evaluations.

"We are looking into these reports," a senior U.S. defense official told ABC News when asked about the purported intelligence documents.

The Department of Defense, Federal Bureau of Investigation and a spokesperson for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence all declined to provide any comment when contacted by ABC News.

If the posts prove authentic, it would signify a major intelligence breach, one reminiscent of the massive leak discovered last year after hundreds of classified documents were shared on the Discord social media platform.

Earlier this year U.S. Air National Guardsman Jack Teixeira pleaded guilty to six counts of willful retention and transmission of national defense information relating to the Discord leaks.

Axios first reported on the leaked documents.

"If it is true that Israel tactical plans to respond to Iran's attack on October 1st have been leaked, it is a serious breach," said Mick Mulroy, an ABC News national security and defense contributor, who served as the deputy assistant secretary of defense for the Middle East.

"Everyone that has access to this information has an obligation to keep it secure," said Mulroy. "The men and women of the IDF that would carry out this mission could be compromised because of this, the future coordination between the U.S. and Israel could be challenged as well."

"Trust is a key component in the relationship and depending on how this was leaked that trust could be eroded," he added.
 
Crazy how the focus is on the trauma to the Israeli soldiers running over people with their tanks rather than the people getting run over or the people witnessing it



Instead of focusing on the real victims

 
RaiGuy said:
Crazy how the focus is on the trauma to the Israeli soldiers running over people with their tanks rather than the people getting run over or the people witnessing it



Instead of focusing on the real victims

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The absolute truth is that both situations are horrible. The (American) veterans I’ve spoken with have severe and lasting mental issues due to their experiences in combat, as do the victims that are living in the combat zone. War is a cancer to the human spirit.
 
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