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“At this point in time, it would be a mistake to give Trump all the credit. Despite his “all hell will break out” threat if Hamas didn’t release the hostages, it’s unlikely the Palestinian group was moved by Trump’s words.”
- DePetris
But since we are talking facts, and not making up our own truth, the FACT is the time stamp on the deal pre-dates trump 2.0. And nothing he says will ever change that.

But of course now the deal may be tentative and shadowed with uncertainty.
 
Centerpiece said:
Won’t respond further to the knucklehead, but he’s been watching too much right wing tv.
The State dept most certainly did NOT credit trump for anything.
The facts remain: the framework of the deal appears exactly the same as what President Joe Biden proposed in May — a three-stage agreement.
Trump had nothing to do with anything in May other than fall asleep in a courtroom.
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True, but that framework was going nowhere until Trump's "Hell to pay" threats to Hamas and his pressuring of Netanyahu to close the deal. Of course, we should also credit the IDF in knocking out Hezbollah/Iran to where they are unable to support the Hamas terrorists.
 
Ramrouser said:
True, but that framework was going nowhere until Trump's "Hell to pay" threats to Hamas and his pressuring of Netanyahu to close the deal. Of course, we should also credit the IDF in knocking out Hezbollah/Iran to where they are unable to support the Hamas terrorists.
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Israeli MAGAs are making everything far more complicated and violent than it needs to be, which is the most predictable thing ever.

 
Ramrouser said:
True, but that framework was going nowhere until Trump's "Hell to pay" threats to Hamas and his pressuring of Netanyahu to close the deal. Of course, we should also credit the IDF in knocking out Hezbollah/Iran to where they are unable to support the Hamas terrorists.
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The IDF gets most of the credit. They can now operate virtually anywhere east of Natanz.

www.businessinsider.com

Israel's Air Force blazes air superiority path to Iran's border

Israel's actions in the wake of Syria's collapse give it unprecedented power in the air — right up to Iran's border.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
 
farce© said:
Will Trump request the hostages be held until after he is officially inaugurated like Reagan did with the Iranian hostages?
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While that would be a trump like thing he would do, there is no need. Nobody is dumb enough to believe, not even Biden, that this isn’t happening because of his comments about releasing hostages before he took office. So trump gets the win, Biden gets a win, hamas gets to hang on to some hostages a little longer to further exploit their position, and Israel gets to hang on to the possibility that the war will start back up so they can chase futility of trying to kill all hamas fighters. TRUMP = WINNING.
 
lawtig02 said:
I can't wait for four years from now, when there won't be a single American willing to admit he voted for Trump.
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Didn't you say that "Donald Trump will never be POTUS again..?"

Sadly you are pulling against our country to succeed.

Regardless of who is in power why do you want him to fail? You are no better than the MAGA crowd.

You just view the policies from your perspective. Same as they do.

I've seen you do this for over 15 years. Why?

The world didn't end when GWB was POTUS. He fucked it up.. but it didn't end.

It wont now. And your hyperbole entertains you to a point you make posts like you do. Relax.

Find a hobby other than spending 16 hours a day on a message board.
 
HesNotHere97 said:
Didn't you say that "Donald Trump will never be POTUS again..?"

Sadly you are pulling against our country to succeed.

Regardless of who is in power why do you want him to fail? You are no better than the MAGA crowd.

You just view the policies from your perspective. Same as they do.

I've seen you do this for over 15 years. Why?

The world didn't end when GWB was POTUS. He fucked it up.. but it didn't end.

It wont now. And your hyperbole entertains you to a point you make posts like you do. Relax.

Find a hobby other than spending 16 hours a day on a message board.
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Oooh! Fun! Who are you? You won't be posting here four years from now when you've been humiliated by the guy you voted for, but enjoy while you have the chance!
 
HesNotHere97 said:
Sadly you are pulling against our country to succeed.

Regardless of who is in power why do you want him to fail? You are no better than the MAGA crowd.

You just view the policies from your perspective. Same as they do.

I've seen you do this for over 15 years. Why?

The world didn't end when GWB was POTUS. He fucked it up.. but it didn't end.
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1. The world came close to ending when GWB was POTUS. We needed a $750B bank bailout and the steady hand of Obama to pull out of that crisis. Imagine if Sarah Palin was president in January 2009. And Palin is a genius compared to Trump.

2. It's not so much wanting him to fail as just expecting it. What he keeps talking about doing will decimate the economy. Have you ever considered this? If Trump raises tariffs on everyone, everyone will raise tariffs on us. And not on them. So in every country, American companies will face a 10-20% price disadvantage. Thus will exporters get killed. Will industry come back to the U.S.? No, it will not, because industry can't just pack up and move on a dime. And nobody is going to invest on the basis of tariffs that are almost certainly going to go away.

3. What you call "success" and what I call success are not the same. Trump being in power has all sorts of effects that he considers features and I consider bugs. Discrimination against LGBTQ people -- which has been on the rise since MAGA and is rising even more now -- is a bad thing. You probably consider it good, but it's bad.

4. Climate change. Since Trump is hell-bent on rolling back all climate progress that we have made over the past 15 years (which isn't all that much), and cajoling the world to do so as well, MAGA poses a long-term existential threat to the habitability of Earth for humans. That's a big factor for me. Like, a couple of years of prosperity (if it does happen, which is doubtful) is not worth the long-term damage it will cause.

Hurricanes are more powerful and bring more rain than they did. We've seen what that can do. Wild fires are more common and more severe than they used to be. We've seen what that can do (and remember the Canadian wildfires that spread haze and air pollution all over the US for a couple of weeks last summer)?

We've making that trade for 30 years: short term prosperity at the cost of long-term sustainability. And the bill is coming due. Both California and Florida have massive insurance crises. It's unclear whether property in those states is even insurable. Meanwhile, FEMA now spends $50B a year or more in response to floods and fires. It's way, way, way up from the 1990s. That is well more than ALL of the "Waste" in government DOGE has identified combined.

5. MAGA has no answer to climate change, so they just ignore it and you will too.
 
Oh. Look. At. That.

Not only is Israel still bombing Gaza into dust heaps, but there's now a convenient "obstacle" to peace.
 

Netanyahu delays the ceasefire vote, as far-right cabinet members threaten to quit​


“Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said a cabinet meeting that was scheduled to vote Thursday on the peace deal between Israel and Hamas has been delayed, in a blow to hopes that a ceasefireafter 15 months of fighting would take effect Sunday.

Netanyahu said that the meeting will only happen once Hamas pulls back on demands for what he called "last minute concession," adding in a statement that "Hamas reneges on parts of the agreement reached with the mediators."

He said that until the mediators notify Israel that "all elements of the agreement" have been accepted, the cabinet meeting would not proceed. He did not specify what elements of the deal Hamas had reneged on.

But in an interview with Al-Araby TV, a senior Hamas official, Sami Abu Zuhri, said there was no basis to claims by Netanyahu that Hamas was retracting parts of the ceasefire agreement. …”

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nycfan said:

Netanyahu delays the ceasefire vote, as far-right cabinet members threaten to quit​


“Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said a cabinet meeting that was scheduled to vote Thursday on the peace deal between Israel and Hamas has been delayed, in a blow to hopes that a ceasefireafter 15 months of fighting would take effect Sunday.

Netanyahu said that the meeting will only happen once Hamas pulls back on demands for what he called "last minute concession," adding in a statement that "Hamas reneges on parts of the agreement reached with the mediators."

He said that until the mediators notify Israel that "all elements of the agreement" have been accepted, the cabinet meeting would not proceed. He did not specify what elements of the deal Hamas had reneged on.

But in an interview with Al-Araby TV, a senior Hamas official, Sami Abu Zuhri, said there was no basis to claims by Netanyahu that Hamas was retracting parts of the ceasefire agreement. …”

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