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The only long term solution is a state for the Palestinians. The problem is they passed on that chance. Opinion | The Missed Chance for Peace (Published 2023)

Egypt and Jordan are not accepting large blocks of Palestinians from Gaza and J&S. Their primary concern is their own regimes' stability. Egypt is a state within a state. The Army rules there. If Sisi and the army end up butting heads over policy on Gaza, he will end up in the ground. Jordan is a failed state. Its population is estimated to be majority Palestinian, or at least a sizable minority. An influx of 3 million is not possible. It survives only on American aid.

The only LT solution is a viable Palestinian state. My Hope for Palestine
 
Finish the job.



Israel says it has identified two of the dead bodies returned by Hamas on Thursday as Ariel and Kfir Bibas – but tests show another body that was expected to be that of their mother Shiri is not hers – and does not match any other Israeli hostage.
 
Whatever (slim) chances of a two state solution still existed absolutely evaporated after that spectacle yesterday. Will never happen.
 
Oval4 said:
Whatever (slim) chances of a two state solution still existed absolutely evaporated after that spectacle yesterday. Will never happen.
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Agreed and it would in insane to accept a two state solution. I think leveling the place is more likely and honestly after that display, it might be warranted. Enough with the BS that people in Gaza don’t support Hamas.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Autopsies on the 4-year-old and the 9-month-old show Hamas beat them to death. Imagine…
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I confess I cannot imagine. Everyone lies in this conflict so I find myself hoping they really just died suddenly in a strike rather than this be true. Monstrous.
 
nycfan said:
I confess I cannot imagine. Everyone lies in this conflict so I find myself hoping they really just died suddenly in a strike rather than this be true. Monstrous.
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The IDF has lied about kid deaths before. Not sure why anyone would believe them now. And certainly Israel could allow independent pathologists to confirm it. If two young kids were beaten to death, I would expect Israel to do that to justify their genocide.

And logically, why would Hamas return the bodies of two kids that they had beaten to death? They could say they weren't found or were incinerated in an airstrike or whatever. It's possible that they were beaten to death but I just think it's more likely that it was an airstrike or some other Israeli attack. Plenty of Palestinian kids died. It's not that hard to believe that Israel accidentally got a couple of their own.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Agreed and it would in insane to accept a two state solution. I think leveling the place is more likely and honestly after that display, it might be warranted. Enough with the BS that people in Gaza don’t support Hamas.
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exactly. An extension of hamas. Not saying Israel is blameless in the hatred palestinians have for israel but when you teach / brainwash / indoctrinate children to hate and celebrate the death of other children its time to think outside the box in how this is dealt with over the next decades.
 
Israel is not at all pearly white but the Palestinian culture was shown the last few days. Celebrations as they parade bodies of dead kids. Some of the Palestinians celebrating were children. Unbelievable how evil….
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Israel is not at all pearly white but the Palestinian culture was shown the last few days. Celebrations as they parade bodies of dead kids. Some of the Palestinians celebrating were children. Unbelievable how evil….
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That's basically de rigeur on the West Bank too. From the Israeli side. And the IDF soldiers seem to get their rocks off killing children.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Israel is not at all pearly white but the Palestinian culture was shown the last few days. Celebrations as they parade bodies of dead kids. Some of the Palestinians celebrating were children. Unbelievable how evil….
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Israeli culture has been shown to be equally (perhaps more) violent for the last few decades. Trying to be generous here.
 
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Paine said:
Israel has killed more than 13,000 kids in Gaza since 10/7. Should they also be leveled?
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Hamas defines children as anyone under 18 and does not differentiate between combatants and civilians in their casualty counting (there are plenty of pictures that show young teenage men training in their brigades). Add on to that the fact that they lie, about everything, all the time, there’s absolutely no way to know what they’re saying is accurate.
 
Paine said:
We are and have been past the point of a two-state solution. The answer is one democratic state where everyone has the same rights. You can be a democracy or an ethnostate; you cannot be both.
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The term ethnostate has origins in a white supremacist book (just like how David Duke coined “Zios”) and unsurprisingly both of these terms are thrown around in tankie/leftist circles all the time when it comes to Israel. Almost like they’re drawn from the same antisemitic sources.
 
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