JD Vance Catch-all | “we have to destroy the universities in this country”

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circlesky88 said:
I have no idea what the process is on how hard it would be for Trump to replace Vance on the ticket. But if Trump wants to do it Republican Party bylaws will not stop him from doing so. They would roll over very quickly if the Cheeto wants it.
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I don't think there would be any point.

The cardinal sin of politics (or at least one of them) is to feed your opponent's narrative. That's why Biden's debate performance was so catastrophic for him. The narrative was that he was old and doddering, and that's what he was. There are a number of terrible behaviors at the debate that wouldn't have been as harmful. If he had decided to describe Trump's presidency as poop, and to drive the point home, he pooped on stage and threw the poop at Trump -- I don't think that would have diminished his standing as much as his actual debate.

But fortunately for Dems, the narrative being fed was "Biden too old." It was Biden specific. Biden steps aside, and the problem largely goes away.

The Dems narrative is that the GOP hates women. Vance comes along and confirms the narrative. Oops. But the Dems' narrative hasn't been about one person but rather the entire MAGA movement. Everyone can now see (if they aren't committed to willful blindness), "yep, MAGA is what the liberals said it was." Removing Vance isn't going to fix that. He's already done the damage. The next VP candidate will be inevitably compared to Vance, and that will just remind voters of the main problem here. The new VP will be saying "I don't think of women as childless cat ladies," which only keeps childless cat ladies in the conversation. Then the new VP will be asked if s/he agrees with Vance on X Y or Z, and the answer will of course be yes to some of those things, and the cycle will renew again. Ultimately the VP will establish his or her own identity with distance from MAGA, and then what does that say about MAGA?

Vance has also allowed the Dems' messaging to expand. Not only do MAGAs hate women, but they are deeply weird. You know, they shoot their dogs. They would have to be 100% sure that a Vance replacement doesn't have his/her own weirdness, because that would play into the narrative so strongly: "Why can't Trump find anyone to be VP who isn't a total freak?" It wouldn't even matter if the weirdness was unrelated to policy. If the VP eats pudding with his fingers -- well, again, why are they so weird? If the VP has an agreement with his son to monitor their porn usage, why are they so weird? So on and so forth.

So the next VP pick would have to be perfect. If it was me, I'd roll with Vance and just try to let it blow over like Access Hollywood. The damage has been done. Don't invite yet more damage.
 
I have 2 cheery thoughts to leave you with:
  1. If Trump wins JD Vance would be a heartbeat away from the presidency, and Trump is 78 years old.
  2. Consider Trump dumping Vance for Kennedy. Trump is desperate, I don't think it's out of the question.
 


I am so amused that after struggling for almost 8 years to effectively attack MAGA in a way that actually lands damage, the Democrats' new pivot to "MAGA is a bunch of weirdo fucks" is perhaps what is going to deliver the death knell to them.
 
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Ddseddse said:
I have 2 cheery thoughts to leave you with:
  1. If Trump wins JD Vance would be a heartbeat away from the presidency, and Trump is 78 years old.
  2. Consider Trump dumping Vance for Kennedy. Trump is desperate, I don't think it's out of the question.
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Trading Vance for Robert Kennedy, Jr. would be trading weird as hell for weird as hell on steroids.
 
Ddseddse said:
I have 2 cheery thoughts to leave you with:
  1. If Trump wins JD Vance would be a heartbeat away from the presidency, and Trump is 78 years old.
  2. Consider Trump dumping Vance for Kennedy. Trump is desperate, I don't think it's out of the question.
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I just read an article yesterday that said that Kennedy's support is already dropping in polls, so I'm not at all sure that dumping Vance for Kennedy would help. At this point dumping a running mate you named just a few weeks ago reeks of failure and desperation, two things that Trump hates to be seen as. If he really is that desperate then choosing Nikki Haley or Tim Scott would be a far better choice, but even if he's desperate I still think Trump would hesitate to name a woman or person of color as his running mate. It will be interesting to see what happens - Trump has got himself into a kind of "no win" scenario at this point. If he keeps Vance it's bad, but if he dumps him it's going to be a bad look, no matter who he replaces him with.
 
Ddseddse said:
While on principle, I agree. But Kennedy at least lacks the "future serial killer, just hasn't gotten around to it yet,,, that we know of..." vibe.
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I would not be surprised to see some sexual assault complaints come out against Kennedy. That would not help the MAGA image.
 
Ddseddse said:
I have 2 cheery thoughts to leave you with:
  1. If Trump wins JD Vance would be a heartbeat away from the presidency, and Trump is 78 years old.
  2. Consider Trump dumping Vance for Kennedy. Trump is desperate, I don't think it's out of the question.
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Ddseddse said:
While on principle, I agree. But Kennedy at least lacks the "future serial killer, just hasn't gotten around to it yet,,, that we know of..." vibe.
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Kennedy would not be an improvement in the weird department. He may have bbq'd a dog in addition to his brain worms and ongoing sexual assault allegations.
 
nycfan said:
(Cont’d)

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On paper at least, Hungary’s results in raising its fertility rate are impressive, and could serve as a lesson for others. The country plows about 5 percent of its GDP into policies to encourage family formation, including tax breaks and low-interest loans for families with children, and free in vitro fertilization (IVF) treatment. Since 2010, when Orbán took power, Hungary’s fertility rate has risen by about 25 percent, going from the lowest in the EU to a bit above the bloc’s average of 1.5 births per woman.

But the actual role of the Hungarian government’s policies in driving this change is an open question. The country was one of the hardest hit by the financial crisis, which may have had a role in depressing births in the period immediately before and after Orbán took power. Furthermore, other countries in the neighborhood have seen similar recoveries, pointing to what may be a regional trend rather than the success of special efforts on the part of the Hungarian government.

Recent data shows fertility rates in Hungary plateauing, or even dipping. That could be a temporary blip. But if it is sustained it will put out of reach Orbán's goal of reaching 2.1 births per woman by 2030, the magic number needed to keep the population stable without immigration. …”
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The right's obsession with Hungary is so damn strange. Is Hungary super successful and killing it economically and I just don't know about it? Or do they just have a lot of Neo Nazis and that matters a lot more?
 
Ddseddse said:
I have 2 cheery thoughts to leave you with:
  1. If Trump wins JD Vance would be a heartbeat away from the presidency, and Trump is 78 years old.
  2. Consider Trump dumping Vance for Kennedy. Trump is desperate, I don't think it's out of the question.
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I am still convinced nobody actually likes Kennedy. Him polling high single digits for so long was clearly just people saying "I hate Biden AND Trump." If anyone actually listens to him for like 5 seconds they will be running away as fast as possible.
 
HeelInTheOzarks said:
The right's obsession with Hungary is so damn strange. Is Hungary super successful and killing it economically and I just don't know about it? Or do they just have a lot of Neo Nazis and that matters a lot more?
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now that you mention it, it is really weird.

its also weird that a US president would publicly praise Putin, Xi and Kim Jong Un

Its all very Weird
 
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