Language and word choice in politics

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Note: while all of these observations are my own and I solely take the blame for them, some of them were inspired by a post from nycfan a while ago about how functionally illiterate people likely hear and respond to Trump. I've referred to that post multiple times before. It had an impact on me. Anyway:

Dems have taken heat for words like Latinx and some of the new trans-inclusive language. I'm definitely in favor of scrapping Latinx if that's possible. What concerns me is a different set of word choices, which are the stuff of "statesman" politics that probably don't translate well to today's age. We need to start talking differently about this administration.

Example 1: Elissa Slotkin said in her joint address response, "But there's reckless change, and then there's responsible change"

To college grads and especially those in the professions, "reckless" sounds bad. We understand it to mean, "likely to produce bad outcomes." But to the working class, I don't know if "reckless" would have the same negative connotations. They might hear it as bold. And "responsible"? Is that a good thing? It probably sounds good to Slotkin, who was an intelligence operator and probably "responsibility" was a key touchstone of her world view. But again, to a working class voter, responsible might sound like the scolding you get from a manager.

It should have been, "there's our approach, which is to make a good system work better for everyone. Then there's Trump approach, which is to destroy in one fell swoop the business contacts that two generations of Americans have spent their lives building."

Example 2: Trump is "amoral."

It's unclear to me if amorality is really different than immorality, which is probably not a great sign for the effectiveness of this rhetoric. Maybe it was somehow appropriate during Trump v1. But again, this packs no punch. He's not just amoral. He is evil by any meaning of the term.

Example 3: Trump is "transactional," especially in foreign policy.

Again, who exactly sees this as a bad quality? College grads, probably. We recognize transactional as the opposite of principled. But to the working class voter, I'm not sure "transactional" sounds bad at all. It sounds like what Trump is selling.

A better choice would be to refer to Trump's boomerang foreign policy, which always ends up smacking us in the face in the end. Or something along these lines. Corrupt foreign policy. Self-defeating foreign policy.

Example 4: This is my own thought, and I don't know if it would be effective and it doesn't exactly function as a substitute for other stuff. But I've been thinking about pinning the label of "wrong way" on him. I wonder if someone could get Jim Marshall to be the part of an ad campaign. "I ran the wrong way because I got disoriented on a football field. Trump is running the wrong way because he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground." Wrong Way Trump sounds good to me. That advertising copy in the last sentence does not; never claimed to be an ad man.
 
Oh, forgot the example that had me thinking about this today.

Example 5: The Pubs are cutting Medicaid. This is true. It's also how the Pubs want to frame it, because they think people will think of Medicaid is for other people.

We should be saying that they are cutting Medicaid, which is a part of Obamacare. Remember when they tried to rip health insurance away from the American people for no reason in Trump's first term? They are still trying to get rid of it.
 
Note: while all of these observations are my own and I solely take the blame for them, some of them were inspired by a post from nycfan a while ago about how functionally illiterate people likely hear and respond to Trump. I've referred to that post multiple times before. It had an impact on me. Anyway:

Dems have taken heat for words like Latinx and some of the new trans-inclusive language. I'm definitely in favor of scrapping Latinx if that's possible. What concerns me is a different set of word choices, which are the stuff of "statesman" politics that probably don't translate well to today's age. We need to start talking differently about this administration.

Example 1: Elissa Slotkin said in her joint address response, "But there's reckless change, and then there's responsible change"

To college grads and especially those in the professions, "reckless" sounds bad. We understand it to mean, "likely to produce bad outcomes." But to the working class, I don't know if "reckless" would have the same negative connotations. They might hear it as bold. And "responsible"? Is that a good thing? It probably sounds good to Slotkin, who was an intelligence operator and probably "responsibility" was a key touchstone of her world view. But again, to a working class voter, responsible might sound like the scolding you get from a manager.

It should have been, "there's our approach, which is to make a good system work better for everyone. Then there's Trump approach, which is to destroy in one fell swoop the business contacts that two generations of Americans have spent their lives building."

Example 2: Trump is "amoral."

It's unclear to me if amorality is really different than immorality, which is probably not a great sign for the effectiveness of this rhetoric. Maybe it was somehow appropriate during Trump v1. But again, this packs no punch. He's not just amoral. He is evil by any meaning of the term.

Example 3: Trump is "transactional," especially in foreign policy.

Again, who exactly sees this as a bad quality? College grads, probably. We recognize transactional as the opposite of principled. But to the working class voter, I'm not sure "transactional" sounds bad at all. It sounds like what Trump is selling.

A better choice would be to refer to Trump's boomerang foreign policy, which always ends up smacking us in the face in the end. Or something along these lines. Corrupt foreign policy. Self-defeating foreign policy.

Example 4: This is my own thought, and I don't know if it would be effective and it doesn't exactly function as a substitute for other stuff. But I've been thinking about pinning the label of "wrong way" on him. I wonder if someone could get Jim Marshall to be the part of an ad campaign. "I ran the wrong way because I got disoriented on a football field. Trump is running the wrong way because he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground." Wrong Way Trump sounds good to me. That advertising copy in the last sentence does not; never claimed to be an ad man.
You make a very good point that I agree with. I don’t even know that it comes down to professionals with college or graduate degrees vs. the working class. I think it comes down to how the general population these days processes and perceives language. Politicians need to have an understanding of that to effectively communicate with the people. Don’t read them an article from the New Yorker. Read them the USAToday sports section.
 
Latinix just scratches the service regarding the "unnatural"/academic language some liberals use. Just watch a replay of the recent DNC election or MSNBC on the weekend as evidence of this. A representative example of the words the Trump administration is discouraging usage (regularly used by the Biden Administration) of include:

affirming care
allyship
assigned female or male at birth
at risk
biologically male or female
breastfeed + person
chestfeed + person
community equity
diverse communities
enhancing diversity
fostering inclusivity
gender-affirming care
health disparity
hispanic minority
implicit biases
indigenous community
intersectional
marginalized
oppression
people + uterus
person - centered care
pregnant people
privilege
unconscious bias
vulnerable populations

This is a good start of words and phrases you should not use if you want to start speaking to real, working Americans and not sound like a first year college women's studies major. This is the point Carville is making.
 
Latinix just scratches the service regarding the "unnatural"/academic language some liberals use. Just watch a replay of the recent DNC election or MSNBC on the weekend as evidence of this. A representative example of the words the Trump administration is discouraging usage (regularly used by the Biden Administration) of include:

affirming care
allyship
assigned female or male at birth
at risk
biologically male or female
breastfeed + person
chestfeed + person
community equity
diverse communities
enhancing diversity
fostering inclusivity
gender-affirming care
health disparity
hispanic minority
implicit biases
indigenous community
intersectional
marginalized
oppression
people + uterus
person - centered care
pregnant people
privilege
unconscious bias
vulnerable populations

This is a good start of words and phrases you should not use if you want to start speaking to real, working Americans and not sound like a first year college women's studies major. This is the point Carville is making.
As a redneck white male blue collar carpenter with a high school education, I have to say you're a fucking snowflake and an idiot if you let words like that keep you from seeing that you're being played for a fool. I don't think anybody I ever worked with cared about words.
 
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In most cases, those are not just issues of choice of words. It's a question about concept. If you think that the concept of a "vulnerable population" should be jettisoned, then you're even more of a POS than I had thought. "At risk"? Seriously? My wife has to determine whether her patients are "at risk" for a number of factors. "Gender affirming care" is a medically accepted term, and in the fact the only such medically accepted term.

What I see from you is theocracy, just like Islamic regimes that make it illegal to discuss certain concepts.

Oppression? How the fuck are you going to teach US history without the word oppression. Recognize these words?

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

That's all I have to say about that bullshit. Not going to let my own thread get derailed.
 
You make a very good point that I agree with. I don’t even know that it comes down to professionals with college or graduate degrees vs. the working class. I think it comes down to how the general population these days processes and perceives language. Politicians need to have an understanding of that to effectively communicate with the people. Don’t read them an article from the New Yorker. Read them the USAToday sports section.
You might be right about it being broader than the working class. I think it's at least true for the working class; also somebody wrote Slotkin's speech. Lots of Dem speeches sound like that. They use a language of critique that doesn't necessarily function as critique, which suggests that it has to sound like critique to someone. It sounds like critique to me, so I figure they are talking to lawyers and other educated professionals, because they are lawyers and educated professionals.

It used to be that the speechwriter job was a coveted plum job that went to Ivy Leaguers. The kind of people who have written soaring speeches. I'm not saying we should get rid of them, but I do think it would probably be a good idea to have a Wuffie or the like on the speechwriting team.
 
Oh, forgot the example that had me thinking about this today.

Example 5: The Pubs are cutting Medicaid. This is true. It's also how the Pubs want to frame it, because they think people will think of Medicaid is for other people.

We should be saying that they are cutting Medicaid, which is a part of Obamacare. Remember when they tried to rip health insurance away from the American people for no reason in Trump's first term? They are still trying to get rid of it.
Or just say they are cutting Healthcare to people that otherwise could not get it
 
Or just say they are cutting Healthcare to people that otherwise could not get it
That's sort of the problem. That's a "for them" framing of the issue. If you say they are cutting Obamacare, it makes it sound as if it affects everyone (which it does, almost everyone at least).

Plus, for much of America right now, "people who otherwise could not get it" = minorities = people who should not get it.
 
First, fuck anyone who tries to claim that blue collar workers, or any other slice of the population, are the "real Americans".



Secondly, great idea for a thread. It articulates something that has puzzled me since the rise of trump in 2016. All partisan views aside, I cannot wrap my head around how anyone in this country can hear him speak and think he has any idea what he's talking about. I've genuinely never encountered someone who struggles so mightily to string together a coherent thought. Transcripts of his speeches are completely nonsensical and everything he discusses shows only a surface level understanding at best.



How many times can people fall for "oh we're gonna have the best economy, no ones ever seen anything like it". "Oh yeah, our military, it's gonna be so great, people are gonna be saying "I've never seen such a great army". "I've got a plan, it's gonna be bigger than any plan they've every seen, just you wait"? It's genuine simpleton stuff, yet they lap it up. It's embarrassing that they need to be spoken to like children, but apparently that is the case.
 
That's sort of the problem. That's a "for them" framing of the issue. If you say they are cutting Obamacare, it makes it sound as if it affects everyone (which it does, almost everyone at least).

Plus, for much of America right now, "people who otherwise could not get it" = minorities = people who should not get it.
yea
They are cutting Healthcare.
..Saying ACA or Obamacare triggers some people
 
It should have been, "there's our approach, which is to make a good system work better for everyone. Then there's Trump approach, which is to destroy in one fell swoop the business contacts that two generations of Americans have spent their lives building."
Wasn't expecting to see Shakespeare quoted in the dumbed down version but I like it...
 
First, fuck anyone who tries to claim that blue collar workers, or any other slice of the population, are the "real Americans".



Secondly, great idea for a thread. It articulates something that has puzzled me since the rise of trump in 2016. All partisan views aside, I cannot wrap my head around how anyone in this country can hear him speak and think he has any idea what he's talking about. I've genuinely never encountered someone who struggles so mightily to string together a coherent thought. Transcripts of his speeches are completely nonsensical and everything he discusses shows only a surface level understanding at best.



How many times can people fall for "oh we're gonna have the best economy, no ones ever seen anything like it". "Oh yeah, our military, it's gonna be so great, people are gonna be saying "I've never seen such a great army". "I've got a plan, it's gonna be bigger than any plan they've every seen, just you wait"? It's genuine simpleton stuff, yet they lap it up. It's embarrassing that they need to be spoken to like children, but apparently that is the case.
His oratorical “weave” (as he calls it) comes off even less convincing than the one on his bald scalp.

But if you’re still grappling with this since 2016, you are both overestimating the intellect of the majority of his voters (keep in mind how many of them think he’s a smart and successful businessman), as well as underestimating their persecution complex and festering insecurities, which spawn “otherism” as their only path for someone to blame for their bleak and miserable lives, and/or for further threats to whatever obsolete ideals from the old “white america” that they’re hanging onto.

Put those two things together and what you have are a bunch of rabid cornered dogs, just as brutish and snarling, and every one of them has a vote. And they’ll eat up any oratorical scraps he serves up and beg for more.
 
His oratorical “weave” (as he calls it) comes off even less convincing than that the one on his bald scalp.

But if you’re still grappling with this since 2016, you are both overestimating the intellect of the majority of his voters (keep in mind how many of them think he’s a smart and successful businessman), as well as underestimating their persecution complex and festering insecurities, which spawn “otherism” as their only path for someone to blame for their bleak and miserable lives, and/or for further threats to whatever obsolete ideals from the old “white america” that they’re hanging onto.

Put those two things together and what you have are a bunch of rabid cornered dogs, just as brutish and snarling, and every one of them has a vote. And they’ll eat up any oratorical scraps he serves up and beg for more.
I'm not grappling with the surprise of it all, I'm long past that. I'd just like to think that I'm decent at at least being able to see issues from others' perspectives in most cases. But try as I might, I can never get past "nope, this man is clearly an idiot" on this one.
 
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I'm not grappling with the surprise of it all, I'm long past that. I'd just like to think that I'm decent at at least being able to see issues from others' perspectives in most cases. But try as I might, I can never get past "nope, this man is clearly an idiot" on this one.
Nah, I wouldn’t waste the energy reflecting on it any further. He is a rotten person and not smart, followed blindly by rotten people who also aren’t smart.

The ones who claim to have not drunk the kool-aid but voted for him anyway, they may not all be rotten… but they’re certainly idiots, or something close to that.
 
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