Mack Brown (not) gone (yet)

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Milk and Cookies said:
I disagree. Something broke on Saturday that won’t be put back together soon.
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Yeah, I do think that Saturday was the official breaking point for Mack 2.0. In my view we should have already crossed that line several seasons ago lol, but this loss is almost certainly the nail in the coffin that will finally force the people that make the decisions to fire him or force him to step down.

I think he would have to somehow rip off at least 9 wins and drub State at the end of the season to save his job, which seems like an all but impossible feat right now.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
If, and I mean a very BIG IF, we narrowly escape dook, get ready for the hype again.

"We still have all of our goals ahead of us."

"4-1 is pretty good around here."

"We are undefeated in conference play."
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Mack has a history of beating dook pretty regularly, although I actually think we're the underdog this year after watching our performance against JMU. You're exactly right about what Mack will say if we do somehow manage to eke out a win. The bad part is that Mack 2.0 has also developed a nasty habit of losing to ncstatelol, so that doesn't bode well for that game later this year. Of course, this team has much bigger problems than just trying to beat our main rivals - they have lots of areas that need fixing, and pronto.
 
Mack took over a pile of garbage both times he came here and made chicken salad out of chicken shit. It might not have been the best chicken salad you ever had but for me at least, it was palatable. This team would have averaged 4 wins since Fedora left if not for him. The way people on this board badmouth him and make him out to be some disgrace of a coach is some Trumper trash Tar Pit level shit to me. He didn't maximize Sam Howell or Drake Maye but whatever no name scrub willing to take over Fedora's 2 star laden team of leftovers would not have had 5 star QBs in the first place. This board has some smart folks but the incredible unawareness on this topic is shocking.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
Mack took over a pile of garbage both times he came here and made chicken salad out of chicken shit. It might not have been the best chicken salad you ever had but for me at least, it was palatable. This team would have averaged 4 wins since Fedora left if not for him. The way people on this board badmouth him and make him out to be some disgrace of a coach is some Trumper trash Tar Pit level shit to me. He didn't maximize Sam Howell or Drake Maye but whatever no name scrub willing to take over Fedora's 2 star laden team of leftovers would not have had 5 star QBs in the first place. This board has some smart folks but the incredible unawareness on this topic is shocking.
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If someone here is saying Mack is a disgrace of a coach then I agree with you. That's excessively harsh to the point of being ridiculous. And comparing his performance the last 5 years against a hypothetical alternate head coach just seems pointless as well.

To me, the only topic that matters at this point is do you think he's the right person for the job going forward? I say no. What say you?
 
Milk and Cookies said:
If someone here is saying Mack is a disgrace of a coach then I agree with you. That's excessively harsh to the point of being ridiculous. And comparing his performance the last 5 years against a hypothetical alternate head coach just seems pointless as well.

To me, the only topic that matters at this point is do you think he's the right person for the job going forward? I say no. What say you?
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I think it's time for him to go. But I'm sick of people badmouthing his entire second tenure, calling him disparaging names, and saying we never should have hired him and he should have been gone years ago. Especially that insecure little manbitch that handed out discipline on the ZZL like a small town cop hiding behind a speed limit sign. And as for me comparing him to a hypothetical coach we might have had, do you think he was our first choice? Do you think we passed over the next Nick Saban to bring him in? Do you think anyone other than a hall of famer flips QBs committed to FSU and Alabama who ended up saving us from more 3-9 embarrasment and at least gave us Saturdays where we knew we had a fighting chance every game? Our program sucks. Our program has sucked all but 4 or 5 years when he wasn't the coach since 1990. And not only sucked, but sucked out loud most of those years. And the only reason I think it's time for him to go now, is I think we are going to be 3-9 next year with or without him, so we might as well try something different. He's lost the recruiting edge he had that enabled him to make even our shitty program into a perennial Toilet Bowl contender.
 
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LosPollosHermanos said:
I think it's time for him to go. But I'm sick of people badmouthing his entire second tenure, calling him disparaging names, and saying we never should have hired him and he should have been gone years ago. Especially that insecure little manbitch that handed out discipline on the ZZL like a small town cop hiding behind a speed limit sign. And as for me comparing him to a hypothetical coach we might have had, do you think he was our first choice? Do you think we passed over the next Nick Saban to bring him in? Do you think anyone other than a hall of famer flips QBs committed to FSU and Alabama who ended up saving us from more 3-9 embarrasment and at least gave us Saturdays where we knew we had a fighting chance every game? Our program sucks. Our program has sucked all but 4 or 5 years when he wasn't the coach since 1990. And not only sucked, but sucked out loud most of those years. And the only reason I think it's time for him to go now, is I think we are going to be 3-9 next year with or without him, so we might as well try something different. He's lost the recruiting edge he had that enabled him to make even our shitty program into a perennial Toilet Bowl contender.
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Lol I like how you act like it’s a crime against humanity to disparage Mack, then in the next sentence call someone a manbitch.

If you think that the program sucks and that Mack was the only person capable of saving it, don’t let the door hit you on the way out after he’s gone.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
I think it's time for him to go. But I'm sick of people badmouthing his entire second tenure, calling him disparaging names, and saying we never should have hired him and he should have been gone years ago. Especially that insecure little manbitch that handed out discipline on the ZZL like a small town cop hiding behind a speed limit sign. And as for me comparing him to a hypothetical coach we might have had, do you think he was our first choice? Do you think we passed over the next Nick Saban to bring him in? Do you think anyone other than a hall of famer flips QBs committed to FSU and Alabama who ended up saving us from more 3-9 embarrasment and at least gave us Saturdays where we knew we had a fighting chance every game? Our program sucks. Our program has sucked all but 4 or 5 years when he wasn't the coach since 1990. And not only sucked, but sucked out loud most of those years. And the only reason I think it's time for him to go now, is I think we are going to be 3-9 next year with or without him, so we might as well try something different. He's lost the recruiting edge he had that enabled him to make even our shitty program into a perennial Toilet Bowl contender.
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The product Mack 2.0 has put on the field has been been unprepared, poorly coached, poorly motivated and soft. Year after year.
 
Copying this post from Tar Pit Premium by Zeus
Like marrying an older person because you love them but also because you hope to inherit their money....and they outlive you.
 
mpaer said:
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Like marrying an older person because you love them but also because you hope to inherit their money....and they outlive you.
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Ouch lol, that’s very on the nose. If Mack had stepped down a few seasons ago then I do think a new coach could have actually capitalized on his recruiting momentum and helped us take a step forward. Instead, we are on the verge of being right back to a rebuild from scratch situation with the new coach.
 
I like how the main underlying defense of the pro Mack 2.0 crowd is this idea that he was the only coach that could have saved the program from the ashes of Fedora, even though that’s pure conjecture. New coaches all across the country routinely take programs that spent a year or two at the bottom of the standings and turn them around to respectability. Mack isn’t some unique miracle worker for going 6-6 a year after the team bottomed out.
 
Peppers49 said:
I like how the main underlying defense of the pro Mack 2.0 crowd is this idea that he was the only coach that could have saved the program from the ashes of Fedora, even though that’s pure conjecture. New coaches all across the country routinely take programs that spent a year or two at the bottom of the standings and turn them around to respectability. Mack isn’t some unique miracle worker for going 6-6 a year after the team bottomed out.
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In fairness to those folks...Mack got folks engaged because he was like the HIgh School sweatheart that they unfortunately had broken up with. Day one of his return they wanted to kiss him. A new guy might not have been that pretty-even if he was a better coach
 
I believe that I have been rightfully critical of the consistent lack of preparation and accountability that our program has displayed over the last three or four years, but I actually believed at the time in 2018, and still do believe in 2024, that Mack Brown was probably the best realistic hire that we could have made at the time. I understand he had been out of coaching for five years, but when a program that has completely cratered as ours had done by 2018, has a chance to hire a national championship winning Hall of Famer who was widely known as one of the best recruiters in college football history – and had prior experience at UNC to boot- you hire that guy. And Mack did exactly what I thought he would do, almost immediately: made Carolina football “cool” again, repaired and restored relationships between the program and all of the North Carolina high schools, expand our recruiting footprint, got us into the conversation with, and commitments from, highly sought-after players, and got the big donors reinvested in the program.

The problem is more so that our athletic administration and leadership at UNC completely dropped the ball. You don’t hire a late sixties/early 70s head coach without a succession plan. I don’t care how good that coach is, how many championships he’s won, or how well he does, nobody at that age needs a total indefinite blank check- and that’s exactly what our administration gave him. There has been zero administrative accountability, and it appears there continues to be zero administrative accountability. THAT is the digger problem, in my opinion: that the University of North Carolina simply is not serious about being good at football. Oh sure, they pay a lot of lip service to claiming to want to be good in football, but none of their words match their actions.

I hate to see it end this way for Mack. He definitely deserves criticism and to be held accountable, but ultimately the buck stops at the top with our athletics administration and our university leadership. This failure is completely on them, ultimately, in my view.
 
CFordUNC said:
I believe that I have been rightfully critical of the consistent lack of preparation and accountability that our program has displayed over the last three or four years, but I actually believed at the time in 2018, and still do believe in 2024, that Mack Brown was probably the best realistic hire that we could have made at the time. I understand he had been out of coaching for five years, but when a program that has completely cratered as ours had done by 2018, has a chance to hire a national championship winning Hall of Famer who was widely known as one of the best recruiters in college football history – and had prior experience at UNC to boot- you hire that guy. And Mack did exactly what I thought he would do, almost immediately: made Carolina football “cool” again, repaired and restored relationships between the program and all of the North Carolina high schools, expand our recruiting footprint, got us into the conversation with, and commitments from, highly sought-after players, and got the big donors reinvested in the program.

The problem is more so that our athletic administration and leadership at UNC completely dropped the ball. You don’t hire a late sixties/early 70s head coach without a succession plan. I don’t care how good that coach is, how many championships he’s won, or how well he does, nobody at that age needs a total indefinite blank check- and that’s exactly what our administration gave him. There has been zero administrative accountability, and it appears there continues to be zero administrative accountability. THAT is the digger problem, in my opinion: that the University of North Carolina simply is not serious about being good at football. Oh sure, they pay a lot of lip service to claiming to want to be good in football, but none of their words match their actions.

I hate to see it end this way for Mack. He definitely deserves criticism and to be held accountable, but ultimately the buck stops at the top with our athletics administration and our university leadership. This failure is completely on them, ultimately, in my view.
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The Admin deserves a share of the blames for allowing Mack to suck year after year.

I don't think that fact should be used to shield Mack from any blame for sucking year after year.
 
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