Malls

The more upscale the better chance of success. Southpark is Charlotte is very successful. The whole area has become a thriving edge city.
In my city there are 2 big mixed use shopping areas where the shops/restaurants are connected by outdoor pedestrian walkways (think Birkdale village in Huntersville or the Avalon in Alpharetta). To your point the stores are more on the upscale side, both places are always packed and usually have arts festivals/concerts/farmers markets etc. on the weekends.

The one traditional indoor mall we have left is dying a slow death. 4 of the anchor department stores are actually still open and it has a movie theatre + a handful of decent stores open inside (think places like Lululemon, Allen Edmonds, Warby Parker), but overall a lot of stores are either empty or occupied by junk retailers that only stay up for maybe a year or two.
 
Back in the 1980s, Charlotte really wanted to revitalize its downtown. It had been the city’s retail and entertainment hub until about the mid-1960s. Then as people moved farther away from the city’s center, and as shopping centers and eventually shopping malls continued to pop up and become the main retail destinations, Charlotte’s downtown pretty much became a place where people would go to their offices and work during the weekdays and then leave in the evening and avoid on the weekends.

By the 1970s, there was virtually no retail downtown and the only restaurants were cheap lunch spots for the business people who worked there to grab some lunch. The Chamber of Commerce decided in the 1970s to start calling downtown “uptown,” as if that would help revitalize it, but calling it by a different name wasn’t going to change anything. (While it is still officially referred to as “uptown,” most of us Charlotte natives who have lived here since at least the 1970s still generally call it “downtown” when we refer to it.)

Then in the 1980s, the city came up with an idea intended to help revitalize the center city. Since shopping malls were all the rage at the time, why not put a shopping mall there? And so the city came up with City Fair; a shopping mall right in the center of town.

It was a complete flop. It opened in 1988 and closed in 1991. It didn’t have any major tenants and its stores were mainly novelty shops, but not so unique or interesting that they would attract people from afar. Not to mention, not a lot of people lived in downtown/uptown Charlotte at the time, so it’s not like potential tenants that would attract potential shoppers would be too interested in setting up shop there when there were a number of shopping centers and malls in or near more highly populated residential areas. And the majority of center city residents at the time lived in public housing (most of which is no longer there), so they didn’t have much disposable income to spend at the mall.

After City Fair closed, it briefly reopened with a portion of it being a Fat Tuesday’s. The Fat Tuesday’s probably did play a role in helping to revitalize Charlotte’s downtown, as it was one of the early nightlife spots there in the 1990s, and the nightlife spots grew exponentially there over the years.

But Fat Tuesday’s closed around 1998, and the building it was housed in— once known as City Fair— was torn down to make way for a 47-story office tower, now known as the Truist Center.
 
yeah, but i think that's more of a mixed use development than your classic fully-enclosed shopping mall.

mixed use developments are still en vogue.
They are very en vogue. I know if at least 7 that are in process of being built within 35 miles of me.

Just read yesterday about one in Downtown Atlanta across the street from the Hawks arena.

Two of them are battling to be the home of the next failed attempt at an NHL team in Atlanta.
 
In my city there are 2 big mixed use shopping areas where the shops/restaurants are connected by outdoor pedestrian walkways (think Birkdale village in Huntersville or the Avalon in Alpharetta). To your point the stores are more on the upscale side, both places are always packed and usually have arts festivals/concerts/farmers markets etc. on the weekends.

The one traditional indoor mall we have left is dying a slow death. 4 of the anchor department stores are actually still open and it has a movie theatre + a handful of decent stores open inside (think places like Lululemon, Allen Edmonds, Warby Parker), but overall a lot of stores are either empty or occupied by junk retailers that only stay up for maybe a year or two.
Avalon is nice, wish I had purchased there when I could have afforded it. Looked at a townhouse back when they were $400k, now they are $1.2M.
 
Back in the 1980s, Charlotte really wanted to revitalize its downtown. It had been the city’s retail and entertainment hub until about the mid-1960s. Then as people moved farther away from the city’s center, and as shopping centers and eventually shopping malls continued to pop up and become the main retail destinations, Charlotte’s downtown pretty much became a place where people would go to their offices and work during the weekdays and then leave in the evening and avoid on the weekends.

By the 1970s, there was virtually no retail downtown and the only restaurants were cheap lunch spots for the business people who worked there to grab some lunch. The Chamber of Commerce decided in the 1970s to start calling downtown “uptown,” as if that would help revitalize it, but calling it by a different name wasn’t going to change anything. (While it is still officially referred to as “uptown,” most of us Charlotte natives who have lived here since at least the 1970s still generally call it “downtown” when we refer to it.)

Then in the 1980s, the city came up with an idea intended to help revitalize the center city. Since shopping malls were all the rage at the time, why not put a shopping mall there? And so the city came up with City Fair; a shopping mall right in the center of town.

It was a complete flop. It opened in 1988 and closed in 1991. It didn’t have any major tenants and its stores were mainly novelty shops, but not so unique or interesting that they would attract people from afar. Not to mention, not a lot of people lived in downtown/uptown Charlotte at the time, so it’s not like potential tenants that would attract potential shoppers would be too interested in setting up shop there when there were a number of shopping centers and malls in or near more highly populated residential areas. And the majority of center city residents at the time lived in public housing (most of which is no longer there), so they didn’t have much disposable income to spend at the mall.

After City Fair closed, it briefly reopened with a portion of it being a Fat Tuesday’s. The Fat Tuesday’s probably did play a role in helping to revitalize Charlotte’s downtown, as it was one of the early nightlife spots there in the 1990s, and the nightlife spots grew exponentially there over the years.

But Fat Tuesday’s closed around 1998, and the building it was housed in— once known as City Fair— was torn down to make way for a 47-story office tower, now known as the Truist Center.
Hey changing names help. When Atlanta changed Stewart Ave. to Metropolitan Pkwy, all of the strip bars closed and the hookers and drug dealers left... :cool:
 
From Mike Rubish’s Par Three golf course one could drive golf balls and bounce them off the metal siding of whatever was the anchor store (Belk’s) at that end of South Square.

It made a GREAT noise.
I remember they had a mini golf course there, too.
 
What I find interesting is that most die but some are magical unicorns that just get busier and busier. Crabtree in Raleigh is MOBBED on weekends. The Streets at Southpoint in Durham seems to be the same.
Dick's is going to take over the spot where Sears was in Crabtree. I was at Crabtree last night for the first time in years. It was pretty dead, but I haven't been on the weekend in forever.
 
Dick's is going to take over the spot where Sears was in Crabtree. I was at Crabtree last night for the first time in years. It was pretty dead, but I haven't been on the weekend in forever.

I went to Crabtree last weekend to return an online item and it was packed. I was somewhat surprised... no visible sign of economic slowdown there.
 
Mixed use is going up all over the place based on my project invitation board.
Yea
But the Mall part is still a Mall
I have gone to eat (and drink) at fenton a few time after games-I know they have $3500 and up Apts. But I guess they have a freaking Mall also??
 
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Avalon in Alpharetta is very popular. It’s an open air mall as part of a mixed use development. It draws the Lenox/Phipps crowd from 10 years ago.
 
Avalon in Alpharetta is very popular. It’s an open air mall as part of a mixed use development. It draws the Lenox/Phipps crowd from 10 years ago.
Have you read about the one they are building in Downtown Atlanta across from the Hawks Arena.
 
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