Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | Court blocks refugee ban

[nycfan]

Free Link: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/trump-e...a?st=NbX5ek&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

"...In the months before Ochoa’s family was deported, hundreds of thousands of Mexicans, as well as U.S. citizens of Mexican descent, many of them children like Ochoa, were swept up in Operation Wetback, one of the largest mass deportations in American history. It was named after an ethnic slur common at the time and was overseen by then-President Dwight Eisenhower.

Former President Donald Trump has cited the monthslong operation as a model for a more sweeping deportation campaign that he said he would conduct if he wins in November. He has praised Eisenhower’s proficiency in removing migrants and ferrying them deep into Mexico, far from the U.S. border.

Trump defended his plan in the debate Tuesday with Vice President Kamala Harris, saying an alleged influx of criminals from abroad has “destroyed the fabric of our country.” At a rally in Wisconsin last week, he warned that the operation might lead to violent clashes with armed migrant gangs. “Getting them out will be a bloody story,” he said. ..."

 

[nycfan]

"... In the early 1940s, millions of Mexicans came to the U.S. to work on farms and railroads in a government program to fill jobs during World War II. Many of the workers stayed after the war. When American troops returned home, public sentiment turned against the migrants.

In 1951, before the launch of Eisenhower’s deportation operation, the U.S. government issued a report blaming immigrants in the country illegally for many of the nation’s economic woes.

Citing little evidence, the report accused Mexican laborers of stealing jobs from Americans and bringing death and disease. It described illegal immigration as “an invasion,” a description used in recent years by conservative media outlets and right-leaning politicians.

“The greatest invasion in history is taking place right here in our country,” Trump said during his July speech at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, Wis.

... Politicians and newspapers during the Eisenhower era warned of communist subversives slipping across the U.S.-Mexico border. Trump has alleged without evidence that droves of prisoners, terrorists and mental patients have been crossing the border, claims repeated by right-leaning media outlets.

Today, most Americans view illegal immigration as one of the nation’s biggest problems, polls show.

At the core of Eisenhower’s effort was a public campaign to widely trumpet the government’s plan. The goal, according to historians, was a public-relations blitz to pressure immigrants in the country illegally to flee rather than risk their families being captured in surprise raids. Twice as many immigrants might have voluntarily left the U.S. than were deported, some historians said. ..."

 

[StrangePackage]

defended his plan in the debate Tuesday with Vice President Kamala Harris, saying an alleged influx of criminals from abroad has “destroyed the fabric of our country.” At a rally in Wisconsin last week, he warned that the operation might lead to violent clashes with armed migrant gangs. “Getting them out will be a bloody story,” he said. ..."

Since there aren't armed migrant gangs, what he's really saying is that he is fine with and will in fact encourage excessive violence from the government against undocumented immigrants and their families.

 

[finesse]

Since there aren't armed migrant gangs, what he's really saying is that he is fine with and will in fact encourage excessive violence from the government against undocumented immigrants and their families.

He's desperate to conflate drug gangs and drug trafficking to immigration to avoid any debate on immigration. He wants people too scared to actually think. How we handle immigration is a hell of lot more of a problem than immigration.

 

[PTOHeel]

I have friends who have immigrated from Mexico. One of them recently got her citizenship after decades and tens of thousands of dollars spent on the process. I really do worry about them under another Trump administration.

 

[mpaer]

"... In the early 1940s, millions of Mexicans came to the U.S. to work on farms and railroads in a government program to fill jobs during World War II. Many of the workers stayed after the war. When American troops returned home, public sentiment turned against the migrants.

In 1951, before the launch of Eisenhower’s deportation operation, the U.S. government issued a report blaming immigrants in the country illegally for many of the nation’s economic woes.

Citing little evidence, the report accused Mexican laborers of stealing jobs from Americans and bringing death and disease. It described illegal immigration as “an invasion,” a description used in recent years by conservative media outlets and right-leaning politicians.

“The greatest invasion in history is taking place right here in our country,” Trump said during his July speech at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, Wis.

... Politicians and newspapers during the Eisenhower era warned of communist subversives slipping across the U.S.-Mexico border. Trump has alleged without evidence that droves of prisoners, terrorists and mental patients have been crossing the border, claims repeated by right-leaning media outlets.

Today, most Americans view illegal immigration as one of the nation’s biggest problems, polls show.

At the core of Eisenhower’s effort was a public campaign to widely trumpet the government’s plan. The goal, according to historians, was a public-relations blitz to pressure immigrants in the country illegally to flee rather than risk their families being captured in surprise raids. Twice as many immigrants might have voluntarily left the U.S. than were deported, some historians said. ..."

Murica

 

[TarSpiel]

He's desperate to conflate drug gangs and drug trafficking to immigration to avoid any debate on immigration.

Those things are probably just not even separated in his own dimly lit mind.

 

[duluoz]

"... In the early 1940s, millions of Mexicans came to the U.S. to work on farms and railroads in a government program to fill jobs during World War II. Many of the workers stayed after the war. When American troops returned home, public sentiment turned against the migrants.

In 1951, before the launch of Eisenhower’s deportation operation, the U.S. government issued a report blaming immigrants in the country illegally for many of the nation’s economic woes.

Citing little evidence, the report accused Mexican laborers of stealing jobs from Americans and bringing death and disease. It described illegal immigration as “an invasion,” a description used in recent years by conservative media outlets and right-leaning politicians.

“The greatest invasion in history is taking place right here in our country,” Trump said during his July speech at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, Wis.

... Politicians and newspapers during the Eisenhower era warned of communist subversives slipping across the U.S.-Mexico border. Trump has alleged without evidence that droves of prisoners, terrorists and mental patients have been crossing the border, claims repeated by right-leaning media outlets.

Today, most Americans view illegal immigration as one of the nation’s biggest problems, polls show.

At the core of Eisenhower’s effort was a public campaign to widely trumpet the government’s plan. The goal, according to historians, was a public-relations blitz to pressure immigrants in the country illegally to flee rather than risk their families being captured in surprise raids. Twice as many immigrants might have voluntarily left the U.S. than were deported, some historians said. ..."

Most people don’t know that there was this active and vigorous Bracero campaign to recruit farm and railroad workers in the ‘40s-‘50s (initiated due to a WWII labor shortage) where the government would literally go into Mexican villages to tout the benefits of coming here to work.

This Eisenhower move was based on little evidence. It’s an early example of American xenophobia. When the Bracero program ended, the Americans who had been clamoring to “take these jobs back” quickly quit after getting a taste of the conditions and wages. Farmers suffered as a result, and it introduced more mechanization and of course a rise in what would come to be illegal immigration. Though it didn’t start out as illegal. It started with the US essentially duping millions of Mexican laborers into shitty working conditions.

 

[nycfan]

 

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[nycfan]

“… The behind-the-scenes discussions, which started months before the election and have picked up in the days since Trump’s victory, include policy changes required to increase deportations, according to people working on the presidential transition, members of Congress and others close to the president-elect.

… Among the changes: revoking a Biden administration policy directing U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement not to pursue immigrants in the country illegally who haven’t committed other crimes, and making changes to the immigration court system to speed up cases. Trump’s allies have said they are planning first to focus on immigrants in the country illegally who have received final orders of deportation from an immigration court, of which there are about 1.3 million, as well as those with other criminal convictions or charges. …”

 

[nycfan]

Cont’d

“… As a first step, Trump’s advisers are discussing issuing a national emergency declaration at the border on his first day in office, which his team thinks would allow him to move money from the Pentagon to pay for wall construction and to assist with immigrant detention and deportation.

But the legality of such a move is unclear.

A national emergency, Trump’s advisers think, also would unlock the ability to use military bases for immigrant detention and military planes to help carry out deportations.

… A critical near-term priority is finding the money to pay for it. An estimate by the American Immigration Council, a liberal immigration group, estimated that an operation to deport the total number of people living in the U.S. illegally could cost $968 billion over more than a decade, or roughly $88 billion a year. …”

So, tariffs?

 

[nycfan]

I find myself having a clinical/academic reaction to this. It was a cornerstone of Trump’s campaign and a big part of what people voted for.

But a lot of the same people were appalled by the child separation policy in his original term, and many of the same folks were outraged but the deportation of one child - Elian Gonzalez - by force back in the day.

Sure, there are going to be people cheering this and ghoulishly enjoying seeing harsh images of deportations, mass incarcerations, etc.

But a lot of Trump supporters are already wishcasting how this will take care of itself via self-deportation before Trump takes office. They will just wake up to find the “illegals” have disappeared from their town without anyone having to suffer any unpleasantness.

We shall see.

 

[nycfan]

Back to the WSJ article:

“… They also want to revoke deportation protections from millions of immigrants who have either been granted a form of humanitarian protection known as temporary protected status—which covers hundreds of thousands of Haitians and Venezuelans—or entered the country on a quasi-legal status called humanitarian parole.

That population includes millions who have entered via government appointments at the southern border, as well as tens of thousands of Afghans evacuated after the fall of Kabul and hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians allowed into the U.S. following the Russian invasion.

Rep. Chip Roy (R., Texas), an anti-illegal-immigration hard-liner, said he thinks the Trump administration should disregard those deportation protections because, in his view, they were issued illegally.

“I believe we need to push the boundaries and claim they’ve got no status,” he said. …”

 

[NCK9]

 

[nycfan]

“… Rather than forcibly deporting all migrants, Trump’s advisers hope they can induce some to leave voluntarily, according to people familiar with the matter.

They have discussed offering immigrants in the country illegally—or those who entered on parole through Biden administration programs—a chance to leave the country without penalties, so they can return on a visa if they are eligible. Under normal circumstances, when someone is deported, they are barred from returning on a visa for 10 years. [A better idea than most of the others being floated, IMO.]

Republican lawmakers, buoyed by their election gains, are planning to use a process called reconciliation to advance legislation that funds Trump’s immigration proposals alongside his energy and tax priorities. …”

 

[finesse]

I expect that, in a spirit of bipartisanship, they are going to invoke the spirit of their fellow populist, Andy Jackson and his crowning achievement, the Trail of Tears.

 

[nycfan]

And the economic impact of the initial push won’t be felt until later in the year as the agricultural and meat-packing industries, among others, scramble for workers.

But perhaps it will result in a rational work visa program by necessity. I mean, there is zero indication of that at the moment, but presumably the business demand will force some sort of resolution.

 

[finesse]

Probably take all his power of concentration to pull it off.

 

[mpaer]

So will New Jersey LE officers have shootouts with ICE??
Seriously this could be ugly
(Yes I will be pulling for the NJ guys )