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Note that mere designation as a terrorist organization does not actually make them "eligible" for drone strikes, whatever that's supposed to mean.
 
nycfan said:




They are going to launch strikes in Mexico and Central and South America, aren’t they?
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If mexico won't do anything about the cartels, trump said during the campaign he would. I'm just very interested to see that if he did attack a cartel with a drone, how many on here would be sympathetic to the cartel.
 
Callatoroy said:
If mexico won't do anything about the cartels, trump said during the campaign he would. I'm just very interested to see that if he did attack a cartel with a drone, how many on here would be sympathetic to the cartel.
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People claiming Trump acted illegally does not mean they are “sympathetic to the cartel” although that’s the kind of bullshit right wing news loves.

“If you don’t support Trump mounting attacks on our neighbors and allies you support drug cartels.” Such bullshit.
 
I wouldn't sympathize with them at all. If he hadn't cleared it with that country, I'd be pretty pissed at us for violating other nations' sovereignty. I doubt that the short term gain could possibly be worth the long term damage to our relationship with them.

One of the problems with all these short term wins is that they aren't worth the battle damage. Look at having to rehire the nuclear people or the bird flu people. You've sown distrust and dissatisfaction and the people that you lost are likely your best people because they are going to catch on somewhere else sooner.

That might not be so bad for some jobs. The party loyalty thing happens. But a lot of these jobs are pretty apolitical and actually need skills.
 
Callatoroy said:
If mexico won't do anything about the cartels, trump said during the campaign he would. I'm just very interested to see that if he did attack a cartel with a drone, how many on here would be sympathetic to the cartel.
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I could care less about the well-being of the cartels but am concerned about launching attacks inside the sovereign borders of our allies in the region without their consent or cooperation. What if Mexico or Canada decides to start bombing gun manufacturers in the United States because we do little to nothing to stop them from supplying weapons to the cartels? Sure, that seems unlikely but using force in the region without cooperation from the governments of the applicable countries has typically been a bad approach to U.S. foreign policy.
 
Callatoroy said:
If mexico won't do anything about the cartels, trump said during the campaign he would. I'm just very interested to see that if he did attack a cartel with a drone, how many on here would be sympathetic to the cartel.
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Nobody. The reason to be terrified of that complete idiocy isn't because we are sympathetic to cartels. It's because a) those types of strikes more often that not hit innocents and miss the supposed targets; and b) it would hurt Americans as it would put an enemy on our southern border. If Trump attacks cartels inside Mexico, it would almost certainly mean the end of Mexican cooperation on immigration and drug enforcement. It would undoubtedly make the problem worse, not better.

And if you don't believe me, read about the Medellin cartel. Or read this link

 
nycfan said:
I could care less about the well-being of the cartels but am concerned about launching attacks inside the sovereign borders of our allies in the region without their consent or cooperation. What if Mexico or Canada decides to start bombing gun manufacturers in the United States because we do little to nothing to stop them from supplying weapons to the cartels? Sure, that seems unlikely but using force in the region without cooperation from the governments of the applicable countries has typically been a bad approach to U.S. foreign policy.
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How someone as smart as that poster appears to think he is doesn’t understand this is bewildering.
 
nycfan said:
I could care less about the well-being of the cartels but am concerned about launching attacks inside the sovereign borders of our allies in the region without their consent or cooperation.
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Which can't happen, because the cartels don't just hang out in large corporate campuses with adequate signage.

The drug cartels are successful and hard to combat precisely because they are embedded within Mexican society. In some places, the cartel "headquarters" is the local police station.

There is no way to target cartels with drone strikes in such a way that would avoid destroying assets of the Mexican government, or assets of Mexican nationals who aren't involved with the cartels at all.
 
superrific said:
The proper response: cool, but please do not drone strike into territory controlled by other countries, especially our allies.
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Well, if we do it over the objections of the Mexican gov't, that gives the gov't some deniability that they probably wouldn't mind having.

I have mixed feelings about this. They are truly awful people, and might as well be labelled terrorists IMO, but it seems obvious there are going to be repurcussions on US soil.
 
superrific said:
There is no way to target cartels with drone strikes in such a way that would avoid destroying assets of the Mexican government, or assets of Mexican nationals who aren't involved with the cartels at all.
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I dunno, a lot of those guys have pretty large ranches, and I'm sure the caches aren't being stored at the local police station
 
TarSpiel said:
I dunno, a lot of those guys have pretty large ranches, and I'm sure the caches aren't being stored at the local police station
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I'm not sure of that at all. In fact, I'd be surprised if they weren't.

These cartels are no fucking joke. I realized years ago just how serious they were when I read an article about how they got into the oil business. They literally put a spike into one of the oil pipelines, drove truck and truck into the cave where they spiked it until they filled a fucking oil tanker, and then they sent the tanker to Louisiana to sell the oil. That is a crazy operation. Like military grade logistics.

If they are just sitting on large ranches where they store their stuff, the Mexicans would have defeated them long ago.
 
superrific said:
I'm not sure of that at all. In fact, I'd be surprised if they weren't.

These cartels are no fucking joke. I realized years ago just how serious they were when I read an article about how they got into the oil business. They literally put a spike into one of the oil pipelines, drove truck and truck into the cave where they spiked it until they filled a fucking oil tanker, and then they sent the tanker to Louisiana to sell the oil. That is a crazy operation. Like military grade logistics.

If they are just sitting on large ranches where they store their stuff, the Mexicans would have defeated them long ago.
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Well, I don't know. I just assumed they'd be stored in compounds closer to where they were produced, and closer to trade routes, but I really have no idea, you could be right.

And yea, they are very evil people, and very smart. If we start droning them, it's very easy for me to imagine large-scale reprisals on US soil.
 
TarSpiel said:
Well, I don't know. I just assumed they'd be stored in compounds closer to where they were produced, and closer to trade routes, but I really have no idea, you could be right.

And yea, they are very evil people, and very smart. If we start droning them, it's very easy for me to imagine large-scale reprisals on US soil.
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Obviously I don't have any actual knowledge. But remember: this stuff doesn't require a lot of volume. A 2mg dose (according to the news, about the volume of 5 grains of salt) can kill an adult. Let's assume 1mg is an average dose. That means 1 kg is 1000 doses. 10kg is 1M doses. 100kg -- i.e. a single filled garbage can -- would be 1B doses and enough supply to last years.

This isn't weed. You don't need caves to store the stuff. The trunks of three cars is probably sufficient.
 
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