Mass Shooting & Gun Violence | LDS Church Attacked

[nycfan]

“… The liberal media is complicit in the increased threats and violence against ICE. We see it every day — they are quick to write a fake story portraying ICE in a negative light, often omitting the real facts of these cases, and they hardly ever write about the vicious criminals that ICE is arresting every day to make our country safer.”

 

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

 

[Carolina Fever]

Well, maybe this is the one attack by a crazy liberal out of all the other shootings that have and will continue to happen this year.

Or maybe it's just someone who hates all forms of government, like an anarchist, and hates the right and left.

 

[HeelInTheOzarks]

I think we are going to see a lot more “political” violence that is actually apolitical or will be hard to square. It’s the new school shooting since those don’t move the needle anymore. Young men, terminally online, trying to make a name for themselves.

 

[Carolina Fever]

I think we are going to see a lot more “political” violence that is actually apolitical or will be hard to square. It’s the new school shooting since those don’t move the needle anymore. Young men, terminally online, trying to make a name for themselves.

I am thinking the same thing. People that just want to cause chaos. We already saw it with the guy in PA who tried to shoot Trump, and with the Charlie Kirk shooter. People that don't have really any set political ideology.

 

[HeelInTheOzarks]

I am thinking the same thing. People that just want to cause chaos. We already saw it with the guy in PA who tried to shoot Trump, and with the Charlie Kirk shooter. People that don't have really any set political ideology.

Yep, these are people who would have previously wanted to be the next Columbine shooters but nobody cares about school shootings anymore, they’re a dime a dozen. The real way to cause fear and chaos is to shoot a celebrity or political figure. Everyone saw the reaction to the Charlie Kirk shooting vs a school shooting a few days later.

 

[Carolina Fever]

Yep, these are people who would have previously wanted to be the next Columbine shooters but nobody cares about school shootings anymore, they’re a dime a dozen. The real way to cause fear and chaos is to shoot a celebrity or political figure. Everyone saw the reaction to the Charlie Kirk shooting vs a school shooting a few days later.

Well, the reaction from the right was greater than any school shooting because they care more about a far right YouTuber than kids getting killed.

 

[superrific]

Well, maybe this is the one attack by a crazy liberal out of all the other shootings that have and will continue to happen this year.

Or maybe it's just someone who hates all forms of government, like an anarchist, and hates the right and left.

There are a lot of right-wing types who hate the federal government. Hell, it's a whole movement out west -- Ammon Bundy and his crew, the wildlife refuge Y'all Qaeda folks.

 

[HeelInTheOzarks]

There are a lot of right-wing types who hate the federal government. Hell, it's a whole movement out west -- Ammon Bundy and his crew, the wildlife refuge Y'all Qaeda folks.

Big difference in hating THE government and hating THIS government.

 

[ZenMode]

There are a lot of right-wing types who hate the federal government. Hell, it's a whole movement out west -- Ammon Bundy and his crew, the wildlife refuge Y'all Qaeda folks.

Probably aren't too many right-wing types who hate ICE enough to do this, however.

 

[Bobfripp]

JFC, every time some lunatic shoots and kills people, apparently we're all going to have this conversation of 'which SIDE does the shooter belong to?'

Face it folks, in an absurdly polarized country of 340 million people with lots and lots and lots and lots of guns, this is going to happen, over, and over, and over and over. It's hard to give a shit anymore.

 

[Calheel]

JFC, every time some lunatic shoots and kills people, apparently we're all going to have this conversation of 'which SIDE does the shooter belong to?'

Face it folks, in an absurdly polarized country of 340 million people with lots and lots and lots and lots of guns, this is going to happen, over, and over, and over and over. It's hard to give a shit anymore.

This was Bill Maher's point last week. That said, it is sometimes important to understand a shooter's motivation for prevention purposes in the future (i.e., is there something about what motivated the shooter that could be useful in deterring or preventing future similar shootings?)

But in many cases, the shooter's motivations are irrelevant or the product of severe mental illness. It is rarely as simple as the shooter being on a certain team.

Anyway, here is Bill from last week:

 

[Bobfripp]

This was Bill Maher's point last week. That said, it is sometimes important to understand a shooter's motivation for prevention purposes in the future (i.e., is there something about what motivated the shooter that could be useful in deterring or preventing future similar shootings?)

But in many cases, the shooter's motivations are irrelevant or the product of severe mental illness. It is rarely as simple as the shooter being on a certain team.

Anyway, here is Bill from last week:

I'm all for collecting data on the shooter's motivation. It's essential. But each event is just a single data point. Should we go overboard every time this happens?

 

[donbosco]

Surely some of y'all must have run across this: The ICE Shooter’s Motive

 

[nycfan]

Surely some of y'all must have run across this: The ICE Shooter’s Motive

“… None of his former friends believed that the “ANTI-ICE” inscription could possibly be sincere, feeling such a serious political statement was anathema to who Jahn was. His humor was deeply ironic, often offensive and aggressive to the point of alienation.

“He was most certainly an edgelord, an irony guy,” one friend said. (Edgelord is online-speak for someone who likes to espouse edgy, nihilistic views). Asked about the inscription on the bullet, the friend said: “Josh was an edgelord who wanted someone to get blamed. I think he tried his best to write something goofy … to rile people up.”

Another friend showed me a Facebook post describing how Jahn had flooded his friends’ comment sections with rape jokes — “playful shock humor,” the friend said.

… Among the dozen or so usernames he used was one reading “#Impeachment.” When I asked if this wasn’t a clear reference to anti-Trump politics, his friends recoiled at the idea that he would express opposition to Trump so sincerely and straightforwardly. Instead they saw it as part of his broader ironic persona, poking fun at anti-Trump “resistance” types.

…
That said, one friend recalled that when Trump first came to power, Jahn “was not a fan” — though he had contempt for mainstream politicians in general. His friends say he had more of a libertarian bent, with one recalling an interest in the libertarian figure Ron Paul.

Still, the friend who recounted Jahn’s dislike of Trump insisted that there was at least a kernel of seriousness to the username.

“If it was ironic, it’s that half irony — where you’re half-kidding, half-serious, just in case,” he said.

“He was never really into politics, especially not politicians,” said another friend, who had known Jahn since age 8. “He was into politics only in the 4chan sense — contrarian, provocative, boundary-pushing for laughs, not conviction.”…”

 

[nycfan]

“… None of his former friends believed that the “ANTI-ICE” inscription could possibly be sincere, feeling such a serious political statement was anathema to who Jahn was. His humor was deeply ironic, often offensive and aggressive to the point of alienation.

“He was most certainly an edgelord, an irony guy,” one friend said. (Edgelord is online-speak for someone who likes to espouse edgy, nihilistic views). Asked about the inscription on the bullet, the friend said: “Josh was an edgelord who wanted someone to get blamed. I think he tried his best to write something goofy … to rile people up.”

Another friend showed me a Facebook post describing how Jahn had flooded his friends’ comment sections with rape jokes — “playful shock humor,” the friend said.

… Among the dozen or so usernames he used was one reading “#Impeachment.” When I asked if this wasn’t a clear reference to anti-Trump politics, his friends recoiled at the idea that he would express opposition to Trump so sincerely and straightforwardly. Instead they saw it as part of his broader ironic persona, poking fun at anti-Trump “resistance” types.

…
That said, one friend recalled that when Trump first came to power, Jahn “was not a fan” — though he had contempt for mainstream politicians in general. His friends say he had more of a libertarian bent, with one recalling an interest in the libertarian figure Ron Paul.

Still, the friend who recounted Jahn’s dislike of Trump insisted that there was at least a kernel of seriousness to the username.

“If it was ironic, it’s that half irony — where you’re half-kidding, half-serious, just in case,” he said.

“He was never really into politics, especially not politicians,” said another friend, who had known Jahn since age 8. “He was into politics only in the 4chan sense — contrarian, provocative, boundary-pushing for laughs, not conviction.”…”

“… “I mostly stopped talking to him when he took his 4chan/irony stuff into daily interactions,” one friend told me. “He was becoming unbearable … once he dropped out of college he had no obligation to be social and none of us reached out due to his edgelord behavior.”

I wasn’t able to find anyone with insight into Jahn’s more recent views, something that his friends said was unsurprising given his withdrawal from social life over the past few years.

“If you’re having trouble finding people besides immediate family who knew him, that’s part of the story,” one friend said. “Every mutual friend drifted away over that kind of edgelord behavior.”…”

 

[Calheel]

“… “I mostly stopped talking to him when he took his 4chan/irony stuff into daily interactions,” one friend told me. “He was becoming unbearable … once he dropped out of college he had no obligation to be social and none of us reached out due to his edgelord behavior.”

I wasn’t able to find anyone with insight into Jahn’s more recent views, something that his friends said was unsurprising given his withdrawal from social life over the past few years.

“If you’re having trouble finding people besides immediate family who knew him, that’s part of the story,” one friend said. “Every mutual friend drifted away over that kind of edgelord behavior.”…”

That really dovetails nicely with the Bill Maher bit I linked above. Basically, these murders are not driven by politics but by internet driven nihilism where nothing really matters because the men are so socially disconnected from real humans.

 

[HeelInTheOzarks]

That really dovetails nicely with the Bill Maher bit I linked above. Basically, these murders are not driven by politics but by internet driven nihilism where nothing really matters because the men are so socially disconnected from real humans.

That is exactly what all these dumbasses are. They're trying to be heroes of their fellow incel 4chan buddies, and leave memes and inside jokes that everyone can talk about.

 

[Carolina Fever]

“…Trump: Probably go after people like you, you treat me unfairly, you have hate in your heart. ABC paid me $16 million for a form of hate speech, your company paid me 16 million for a form of hate speech, maybe they'll go after you.”

“… None of his former friends believed that the “ANTI-ICE” inscription could possibly be sincere, feeling such a serious political statement was anathema to who Jahn was. His humor was deeply ironic, often offensive and aggressive to the point of alienation.

“He was most certainly an edgelord, an irony guy,” one friend said. (Edgelord is online-speak for someone who likes to espouse edgy, nihilistic views). Asked about the inscription on the bullet, the friend said: “Josh was an edgelord who wanted someone to get blamed. I think he tried his best to write something goofy … to rile people up.”

Another friend showed me a Facebook post describing how Jahn had flooded his friends’ comment sections with rape jokes — “playful shock humor,” the friend said.

… Among the dozen or so usernames he used was one reading “#Impeachment.” When I asked if this wasn’t a clear reference to anti-Trump politics, his friends recoiled at the idea that he would express opposition to Trump so sincerely and straightforwardly. Instead they saw it as part of his broader ironic persona, poking fun at anti-Trump “resistance” types.

…
That said, one friend recalled that when Trump first came to power, Jahn “was not a fan” — though he had contempt for mainstream politicians in general. His friends say he had more of a libertarian bent, with one recalling an interest in the libertarian figure Ron Paul.

Still, the friend who recounted Jahn’s dislike of Trump insisted that there was at least a kernel of seriousness to the username.

“If it was ironic, it’s that half irony — where you’re half-kidding, half-serious, just in case,” he said.

“He was never really into politics, especially not politicians,” said another friend, who had known Jahn since age 8. “He was into politics only in the 4chan sense — contrarian, provocative, boundary-pushing for laughs, not conviction.”…”

“… “I mostly stopped talking to him when he took his 4chan/irony stuff into daily interactions,” one friend told me. “He was becoming unbearable … once he dropped out of college he had no obligation to be social and none of us reached out due to his edgelord behavior.”

I wasn’t able to find anyone with insight into Jahn’s more recent views, something that his friends said was unsurprising given his withdrawal from social life over the past few years.

“If you’re having trouble finding people besides immediate family who knew him, that’s part of the story,” one friend said. “Every mutual friend drifted away over that kind of edgelord behavior.”…”

That really dovetails nicely with the Bill Maher bit I linked above. Basically, these murders are not driven by politics but by internet driven nihilism where nothing really matters because the men are so socially disconnected from real humans.

That is exactly what all these dumbasses are. They're trying to be heroes of their fellow incel 4chan buddies, and leave memes and inside jokes that everyone can talk about.

Just like I called it earlier today.