Mass Shooting & Gun Violence | Austin (possible terrorism?) & Cincinnati

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Icky Mettle said:
It’s interesting how it’s not uncommon for various nightlife scenes to evolve in this way. It has happened with certain parts of Charlotte’s uptown nightlife scene. It started happening before Covid, but I think Covid exacerbated it. It also happened briefly with Charlotte’s NC Music Factory. Interestingly, Covid probably kept that from continuing there as it resulted in almost everything there, other than the concert venues, closing permanently.
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Oh yeah, I go out in Charlotte maybe once every year or two when I’m back in the area and I’ve definitely noticed a shift in where the “happening” areas are.

As someone living in a city where nightlife is such an ingrained part of the culture this is always a fascinating topic to me lol. I’ve been here since 2014 and there are a bunch of different bar areas clustered throughout the city with their own unique identities that have all experienced their share of change over the last 12 years. Perfect example is called Rainey Street. When I first moved here it was a row of quirky bars in these old repurposed historic houses with giant shaded patios. The vibe got gradually more raucous, and it was such a popular place with good proximity to downtown that when Covid hit and tons of people moved to Austin, a lot wanted to live in that area specifically m. Almost all of the bars in the old houses got cleared for sky rises, and now the area is a complete shell of itself. Like the whole reason that the area was desirable in the first place got destroyed lol.

To your point, a lot of this stuff can be traced back to Covid.
 
Peppers49 said:
Oh yeah, I go out in Charlotte maybe once every year or two when I’m back in the area and I’ve definitely noticed a shift in where the “happening” areas are.

As someone living in a city where nightlife is such an ingrained part of the culture this is always a fascinating topic to me lol. I’ve been here since 2014 and there are a bunch of different bar areas clustered throughout the city with their own unique identities that have all experienced their share of change over the last 12 years. Perfect example is called Rainey Street. When I first moved here it was a row of quirky bars in these old repurposed historic houses with giant shaded patios. The vibe got gradually more raucous, and it was such a popular place with good proximity to downtown that when Covid hit and tons of people moved to Austin, a lot wanted to live in that area specifically m. Almost all of the bars in the old houses got cleared for sky rises, and now the area is a complete shell of itself. Like the whole reason that the area was desirable in the first place got destroyed lol.

To your point, a lot of this stuff can be traced back to Covid.
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I find that a common evolution with nightlife scenes pretty much goes like this:
It often starts in a place that is considered kind of a rough part of town. Rent is cheap, so a small number of people take a chance on opening some bars and restaurants, etc. These places are generally kind of quirky and have some character, as they make use of old spaces. They initially attract mainly the hipster crowd.

With word of mouth, more people come to check these places out. A few more spots start opening up as more people come to the the area. Then the yuppie crowd starts coming in. The yuppies start to take over and the hipsters move on to some other scene.

After the yuppies take over, business really starts booming in the area. Then massive development comes in. But the massive development then pushes out the nightlife because the area loses its character and because the rent shoots up way too high.

Then one of two things happens: (1) the nightlife is pretty much gone for good, or (2) there is a resurgence of nightlife, but it brings in a lot of people who are looking for trouble rather than the more chill crowds that previously flocked to the scene.
 
See, one problem with branding soccer moms as domestic terrorists is that nobody will believe the FBI if there is a real terrorist.

I certainly don't believe the FBI about this Austin shooting. Might the guy have been seeking revenge for Iran? Maybe. But I ain't gonna trust Kash and Noem at all. I will need to see independent reporting.
 
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“… Texas shooter Ndiaga Diagne, 53, had a Quran in his car and was possibly also wearing an undershirt featuring the Iranian flag or other Iranian symbols when he opened fire on Buford’s Backyard Beer Garden near the University of Texas-Austin campus, according to sources familiar with the investigation.

Diagne, a US citizen originally from Senegal, was naturalized in 2013 and applied for asylum in 2016, sources said….”
 
nycfan said:
“… Texas shooter Ndiaga Diagne, 53, had a Quran in his car and was possibly also wearing an undershirt featuring the Iranian flag or other Iranian symbols when he opened fire on Buford’s Backyard Beer Garden near the University of Texas-Austin campus, according to sources familiar with the investigation.

Diagne, a US citizen originally from Senegal, was naturalized in 2013 and applied for asylum in 2016, sources said….”
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Applied for asylum after naturalization?
 
Icky Mettle said:
I find that a common evolution with nightlife scenes pretty much goes like this:
It often starts in a place that is considered kind of a rough part of town. Rent is cheap, so a small number of people take a chance on opening some bars and restaurants, etc. These places are generally kind of quirky and have some character, as they make use of old spaces. They initially attract mainly the hipster crowd.

With word of mouth, more people come to check these places out. A few more spots start opening up as more people come to the the area. Then the yuppie crowd starts coming in. The yuppies start to take over and the hipsters move on to some other scene.

After the yuppies take over, business really starts booming in the area. Then massive development comes in. But the massive development then pushes out the nightlife because the area loses its character and because the rent shoots up way too high.

Then one of two things happens: (1) the nightlife is pretty much gone for good, or (2) there is a resurgence of nightlife, but it brings in a lot of people who are looking for trouble rather than the more chill crowds that previously flocked to the scene.
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I'm amid a study of "nightlife" actually simply put, drinking zones, in the Central American town of Antigua, Guatemala. I've got data from the late 18th century actually and have written about that...what I found there was something akin to neighborhood pubs. Then my data jumps to the 1970s (two centuries) and things get more interesting as it appears that the little corner cantina survived into the 1990s at which time a burgeoning tourism industry (bolstered by Spanish language schools for backpackers and college students) resulted in the creation of an actual nightclub 'scene.' Over the past 30 years the nexus of nightlife has moved around the town but increasingly to the periphery as old homes have been converted into hotels, Air BnBs, and more upscale restaurants. This summer if I can get back down I'll be interviewing some old-time service industry folks about their experiences. It is interesting stuff, especially since back in the '90s I was working there tending bar pretty often.
 
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