Mass Shooting & Gun Violence | Mississippi gun death rate twice that of Haiti

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rodoheel said:
Is there any evidence that something like that happened in this case? If so what's the point? How many shootings are performed by someone who is already out on bail for another shooting? My guess is a tiny fraction, well under one percent. The idea that most gun crime results from serial criminals who keep shooting people while they await trial is silly.

As for bonding out - is it your belief that people should be incarcerated for years before they've been convicted of a crime? That's pretty frightening IMO. If anything we keep too many people held before an actual conviction.
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The gun arrests for people on bail are higher than you think. I saw one study which is fairly dated but it puts the number arrested for gun crimes And on some sort of pre-trial release at 14%.

I saw some more recent studies where it showed that cashless bail programs did not increase or decrease gun crimes as many feared and that's good. But on the other hand, one of the ideas of cashless bail is let more people aren't going to cause violence out on bail so there's room for the violent criminals. I'd say there's room for improvement on that front.
 
page count is all wonky. I am guessing some of you are yelling at the wall again? Isn't there a gun control debate thread for that?
 
altmin said:
page count is all wonky. I am guessing some of you are yelling at the wall again? Isn't there a gun control debate thread for that?
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Yes, they’re arguing gun policy with Bo. I can see their replies. I switched to “Ignore” from “Superignore” because some of the threads were too disjointed, particularly when Bo was involved and responding to every counterpoint. He absolutely has to have the last word.
 
farce© said:
Yes, they’re arguing gun policy with Bo. I can see their replies. I switched to “Ignore” from “Superignore” because some of the threads were too disjointed, particularly when Bo was involved and responding to every counterpoint. He absolutely has to have the last word.
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I had a much more honest reply to the situation, but rather than do harm, I'll just remind them of this thread.

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2ManyBlueCups said:
Gangs are not shunned. You have people making tens of millions of dollars singing or rapping about murdering people and dealing drugs. If someone makes a song about being a Crip and shooting Bloods, they need to be canceled the same way someone would be if they boasted about being a racist or a Nazi.
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Not sure this is the right first post, but I'll start by taking my side convo with Bo off the mass shootings thread.

The idea that a few white guys in the music industry have found a way to make millions off of one of the few marketable things coming out of black projects is not...
 
farce© said:
Y’all are trying to reason with Bo.

“Thirty-two percent of US adults say they personally own a gun, while a larger percentage, 44%, report living in a gun household.”

So almost half of all households in the US own a gun. I have two shotguns I inherited when my father died 40 years ago. They have been moved all over the country but I’ve never owned any shotgun shells.
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Pretty much same here.

I have a 357 and a 30/30. They haven't been fired in decades. I locked them up when my daughter was struggling.

I have my BIL gun safe in the basement, we are storing it for him. It's locked and hasn't been opened in over a year. I have the combination on my phone, but I can't see ever needing it.
 
Rock said:
I can't remember if I already replied about this or just thought about the reply and never sent it but under the broad definitions of mental illness, I don't think there is an argument that can be made that anyone who would take someone else's life outside of a few limited exceptions like a law-enforcement situation or being drafted in a war, if you choose to murder someone, you are mentally ill in some manner.
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That's fine, we can disagree on that point.

My issue with this is that the gun nuts are using mental illness as a way to avoid the problem, which is access to guns, far more than mental illness.

I will say that we do need to do a lot more as a country to help those with mental illnesses.
 
05C40 said:
In re pre-trial detention w/o bail: Are we talking about compensated pre-trial detention if not-convicted and credit for time served if convicted? Because if we are talking about compensated pre-trial detention following a dismissal or not-guilty verdict at a rate of, let's say $50,000 a month, I'm OK with that.
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gtyellowjacket said:

The gun arrests for people on bail are higher than you think. I saw one study which is fairly dated but it puts the number arrested for gun crimes And on some sort of pre-trial release at 14%.

I saw some more recent studies where it showed that cashless bail programs did not increase or decrease gun crimes as many feared and that's good. But on the other hand, one of the ideas of cashless bail is let more people aren't going to cause violence out on bail so there's room for the violent criminals. I'd say there's room for improvement on that front.
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Is this what you're trying to link? chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/woofccj.pdf

14%, while higher than I would have thought, is still pretty low - making it very clear that identifying people being out on bail as a major cause of gun violence is foolish. And in any event this data isn't limited to people who are arrested for shooting/killing other people. And that particular data also appears to be limited to people in "urban counties" for whatever it's worth.
 
Father of the Raleigh mass shooter pleads guilty to misdemeanor storing a firearm in a manner accessible to a minor and gets a year of probation.

This one was always weird to me, too. Haven't heard anything about the shooter, how he was in school, etc. The parents say there weren't any signs their son would do this, but he shot 7, killed 5, and one of them was his own brother. He also stabbed his brother multiple times.

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'A case of epic tragedy': Father of Hedingham teen accused in mass shooting sentenced to one year probation

Alan Thompson, the father of the teenager accused in the Oct. 13, 2022, Hedingham mass shooting in Raleigh, pleaded guilty Wednesday to misdemeanor storing a firearm in a manner accessible to a minor.
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gtyellowjacket said:
I think that we're going to find out that their families have been a feudin' for generations over a stolen mule or something.
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No, they were friends. https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/01/us/kentucky-judge-murder-stines-hearing/index.html

The prosecution did not present a motive in the shooting, but the detective affirmed Stines was seen in a section of the surveillance video not played in court calling his daughter on his own phone, and then asking to see Mullins’ phone, and the judge complied.

The full video shows Stines stood up and began shooting only seconds after looking at the judge’s phone, the detective testified.

“I was told that Sheriff Stines had tried to call his daughter, and he had tried to call his daughter from the judge’s phone also,” said Stamper, who confirmed that phone records showed that the cell phone of Stines’ daughter had previously been called from the judge’s phone.

Some reading between the lines is that the judge may have been in a relationship with the Sherrif's daughter (hence the daughter's number being in the judge's phone and the efforts to call the daughter). Sherrif was 43 so at most daughter would be in her early 20's. Judge was 54.
 
dcphx said:
No, they were friends. https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/01/us/kentucky-judge-murder-stines-hearing/index.html

The prosecution did not present a motive in the shooting, but the detective affirmed Stines was seen in a section of the surveillance video not played in court calling his daughter on his own phone, and then asking to see Mullins’ phone, and the judge complied.

The full video shows Stines stood up and began shooting only seconds after looking at the judge’s phone, the detective testified.

“I was told that Sheriff Stines had tried to call his daughter, and he had tried to call his daughter from the judge’s phone also,” said Stamper, who confirmed that phone records showed that the cell phone of Stines’ daughter had previously been called from the judge’s phone.

Some reading between the lines is that the judge may have been in a relationship with the Sherrif's daughter (hence the daughter's number being in the judge's phone and the efforts to call the daughter). Sherrif was 43 so at most daughter would be in her early 20's. Judge was 54.
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If this is true, I think a lot's going to depend on the daughter's age. If she was 14 or 15, murder is still not right but the Sheriff will likely get a much lighter sentence. If the daughter was an adult, I see a whole lot less sympathy from a judge and jury.
 
Some info coming out about the kid that committed the mass shooting in the Hedingham neighborhood in Raleigh from a lawsuit that has been filed by the victims. Surprise, the kid had problems and it wasn't just something that happened out of the blue.

“The complaint details how Thompson, a known threat to the community, was allowed to roam freely with his weapons, leading to the deaths of five individuals and serious injury to others,” said the Howard Stallings Law Firm, who is representing the plaintiffs in the suit.
According to the lawsuit, the victims had filed complaints against the accused shooter, Austin Thompson, days before the shooting on Oct. 22, 2022.

The lawsuit claims Thompson caused several problems in the neighborhood before the shooting, including arguments with other residents that included racial slurs, and that Nicole Connors Howard, who was shot 35 times during the shooting, had run-ins with the Thompson family days before the shooting.

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Victims’ families of Raleigh mass shooting file lawsuit against accused shooter, his parents and HOA

The families of victims of the Hedingham mass shooting have filed a lawsuit against the accused shooter, his parents and the homeowners association.
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gtyellowjacket said:
If this is true, I think a lot's going to depend on the daughter's age. If she was 14 or 15, murder is still not right but the Sheriff will likely get a much lighter sentence. If the daughter was an adult, I see a whole lot less sympathy from a judge and jury.
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I have friends in the legal community in Kentucky. The rumor the day after the murder was the judge was in a relationship with the sheriff's daughter, who is 17 and a senior in high school.

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BillOfRights said:
I have friends in the legal community in Kentucky. The rumor the day after the murder was the judge was in a relationship with the sheriff's daughter, who is 17 and a senior in high school.
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Just yuck... should have been WV or Florida story. Maybe Kensucky is catching up?
 
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