Mass Shooting & Gun Violence | Wisconsin school shooting today (4 victims plus shooter dead, more injured)

[Willy]

RJ Reynolds High, in Winston, had a school adjacent shooting last week (the shooting occurred right off campus, and a student was shot, after a fight). I believe it was the very next day that a Reynolds student was arrested for murder, for a completely different shooting. As a parent in Winston, it's disheartening to see the violence at Reynolds and Tabor (which had a murder in the school hallways a few years back), which historically were two of the best high schools in the Triad.

 

[ChileG]

Well it does seem like the authorities could verify the shooter's written statement/manifesto by now since they have access to her computer and electronic devices. The publisher of the document indicated in X that If we hear nothing from them this week then it is likely that it is a genuine document and they are likely trying to bury it during Christmas week. If it is a fake, then we'll know soon.

I read the manifesto. Maybe I missed something (feel free to point it out) but I didn’t see anything that points to her being transgendered, a man-hater, nor a leftist.
The closest thing I saw to ideology was that she apparently hates black people and religion.
It read to me like the ranting of a very troubled teenager.

 

[EyeballKid]

As I stated earlier, ShotSpotter by itself is not going to decrease gun crime. If used effectively, in combination with existing resources, it can. But if the DA isn’t going to pursue charges against people with illegal guns, or if the police force is so understaffed that it can’t respond to activations appropriately, it is not going to work. Durham PD liked it, Winston-Salem didn’t, Fayetteville has credited it with helping decrease gun crime, Charlotte did not. It is not a one size fits all solution.

I never said it was a one-size-fits-all solution. Nor did I say it was useful in isolation.

What I’ve said repeatedly is that as various cities have instituted it, ShotSpotter has shown mixed results across the board.

If it were a proven, successful, cost-effective. integral part of a comprehensive plan to address gun violence, cities like Charlotte, Winston, Chicago, Durham and many others wouldn’t be ditching it.

And ditching it has nothing to do with “progressives” on the ACAB bandwagon, as you asserted.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

Possession of firearm by a felon. In many cases those firearms have been reported stolen as well. I'd take placing these people behind bars for a few months to a couple of years versus having them face no consequences at all, particularly when Durham is dealing with a high level of gun violence. As it stands now, felons know that there will be no real consequences to them carrying firearms illegally. If the gun get confiscated, they'll just steal or buy a new one.

I’d rather those crimes be prosecuted as well, but if the choice is something along the lines of putting 12 non-violent offenders in jail for 10 months at the cost of catching and convicting a guy who murdered two people and another involved in a home invasion/malicious wounding, I think I’d agree with the DA.
In any case, the DA’s choice appears to be a pragmatic, if unpalatable one and it has nothing to do with any lefty/progressive desire to keep the flow of guns on the street completely unfettered. You can’t point to any such philosophy by any democrat of note (I’ll even include posters here in that group) and it’s starting to feel like you’re arguing in bad faith.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

I never said it was a one-size-fits-all solution. Nor did I say it was useful in isolation.

What I’ve said repeatedly is that as various cities have instituted it, ShotSpotter has shown mixed results across the board.

If it were a proven, successful, cost-effective. integral part of a comprehensive plan to address gun violence, cities like Charlotte, Winston, Chicago, Durham and many others wouldn’t be ditching it.

And ditching it has nothing to do with “progressives” on the ACAB bandwagon, as you asserted.

The opposition to ShotSpotter has a lot to do with the ACAB bandwagon. In fact, ShotSpotter is one of the favorite targets of anti-policing activists:

Johnson threatened to veto it, but did not. Nonetheless, even if there is an opening for ShotSpotter going forward, the end of the contract is a victory that anti-policing and anti-surveillance activists in the city had been working toward for years. Their achievement provides a potential blueprint for other cities trying to roll back the use of ShotSpotter and other high-tech crime “solutions” in favor of investments in underprivileged communities.

How Chicago Organizers Managed To Rid the City of ShotSpotter

The controversial police surveillance tech is often inaccurate, according to research that allowed activists to launch a fact-based campaign and a potential model for organizers in other cities.

nextcity.org

I don't see many downsides to alerting the police about gunshots, but some people do.

 

[Ramrouser]

I read the manifesto. Maybe I missed something (feel free to point it out) but I didn’t see anything that points to her being transgendered, a man-hater, nor a leftist.
The closest thing I saw to ideology was that she apparently hates black people and religion.
It read to me like the ranting of a very troubled teenager.

I agree and I was referring to the man hating feminist statements in her manifesto. I'm currently unaware of any evidence indicating the shooter is transgender (I said perhaps). That was based on unfounded early reports. We'll see what the evidence shows.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

I’d rather those crimes be prosecuted as well, but if the choice is something along the lines of putting 12 non-violent offenders in jail for 10 months at the cost of catching and convicting a guy who murdered two people and another involved in a home invasion/malicious wounding, I think I’d agree with the DA.
In any case, the DA’s choice appears to be a pragmatic, if unpalatable one and it has nothing to do with any lefty/progressive desire to keep the flow of guns on the street completely unfettered. You can’t point to any such philosophy by any democrat of note (I’ll even include posters here in that group) and it’s starting to feel like you’re arguing in bad faith.

We're not talking about speeding tickets or pot possession here. We're talking about felons in possession of illegal firearms, boasting that they are going to keep carrying their illegal weapons because there are literally no consequences for doing so. Durham has a major problem with gun crime. Choosing to not enforce gun laws when you are in the midst of a gun crime epidemic is not a sound strategy, IMO.

And it is not just in Durham:

The MSU shooter should have been in jail, but he got a plea deal for prior gun crimes - Washington Examiner

A shooting at Michigan State University left three people dead and five others wounded. Once again, it was a preventable shooting. No, it could not have been prevented by passing more gun control laws, but it could have been prevented if local prosecutors had only enforced existing gun laws.'YOU...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

DA Jason Williams issues strong rebuke of his deputy's decision to refuse gun charges

Orleans Parish District Attorney Jason Williams distanced himself from the decision of a top deputy to refuse more than a dozen gun charges on Mardi Gras, calling the attorney’s actions

www.nola.com

The U.S. Attorney's hidden role in undermining DC's gun laws

Damning new evidence about thousands of gun cases

dccrimefacts.substack.com

 

[EyeballKid]

The opposition to ShotSpotter has a lot to do with the ACAB bandwagon. In fact, ShotSpotter is one of the favorite targets of anti-policing activists:

Johnson threatened to veto it, but did not. Nonetheless, even if there is an opening for ShotSpotter going forward, the end of the contract is a victory that anti-policing and anti-surveillance activists in the city had been working toward for years. Their achievement provides a potential blueprint for other cities trying to roll back the use of ShotSpotter and other high-tech crime “solutions” in favor of investments in underprivileged communities.

How Chicago Organizers Managed To Rid the City of ShotSpotter

The controversial police surveillance tech is often inaccurate, according to research that allowed activists to launch a fact-based campaign and a potential model for organizers in other cities.

nextcity.org

I don't see many downsides to alerting the police about gunshots, but some people do.

Ffs, dude…I mean, keep ignoring the fact that in several cities it’s been shown to be relatively inefficient and costly, and keep whining about progressives. It’s like talking to brick fucking wall.

 

[Zoo_View]

Ffs, dude…I mean, keep ignoring the fact that in several cities it’s been shown to be relatively inefficient and costly, and keep whining about progressives. It’s like talking to brick fucking wall.

It is a brick wall.

 

[SnoopRob]

I read the manifesto. Maybe I missed something (feel free to point it out) but I didn’t see anything that points to her being transgendered, a man-hater, nor a leftist.
The closest thing I saw to ideology was that she apparently hates black people and religion.
It read to me like the ranting of a very troubled teenager.

Yeah, I've read (what is purported to be) the manifesto.

I didn't find it to be anything earth shattering. At times, it was not even terribly coherent (which isn't surprising from a 15 year old who was obviously in serious distress).

I don't see what the big deal about it is and I don't think it adds much to the overall story.

 

[EyeballKid]

The opposition to ShotSpotter has a lot to do with the ACAB bandwagon. In fact, ShotSpotter is one of the favorite targets of anti-policing activists:

Johnson threatened to veto it, but did not. Nonetheless, even if there is an opening for ShotSpotter going forward, the end of the contract is a victory that anti-policing and anti-surveillance activists in the city had been working toward for years. Their achievement provides a potential blueprint for other cities trying to roll back the use of ShotSpotter and other high-tech crime “solutions” in favor of investments in underprivileged communities.

How Chicago Organizers Managed To Rid the City of ShotSpotter

The controversial police surveillance tech is often inaccurate, according to research that allowed activists to launch a fact-based campaign and a potential model for organizers in other cities.

nextcity.org

I don't see many downsides to alerting the police about gunshots, but some people do.

Ffs, dude…I mean, keep ignoring the fact that in several cities it’s been shown to be relatively inefficient and costly, and keep whining about progressives. It’s like talking to brick fucking wall.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Ffs, dude…I mean, keep ignoring the fact that in several cities it’s been shown to be relatively inefficient and costly, and keep whining about progressives. It’s like talking to brick fucking wall.

Didn't I already say that it isn't a solution for every city? But it is a valuable tool for some? So what are we arguing about?

 

[EyeballKid]

Didn't I already say that it isn't a solution for every city? But it is a valuable tool for some? So what are we arguing about?

No, you said it’s not a one size fits all solution—but you’ve consistently implied that it should be part of a comprehensive package in Durham (despite its reported ineffectiveness) and other cities, and you’ve blamed progressives for the fact that many cities have looked at the data and decided not to use it.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

No, you said it’s not a one size fits all solution—but you’ve consistently implied that it should be part of a comprehensive package in Durham (despite its reported ineffectiveness) and other cities, and you’ve blamed progressives for the fact that many have looked at the data and decided not to use it.

I'm just going with what the Durham police chief said. He's probably more in tune with crime there than either one of us. And I provided you with a link showing that anti-police activists are fighting shot spotter across the country. Like, they are saying in their own words "this is part of our anti-police strategy" and you are simply ignoring it. Brick wall indeed.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Appreciate the post and agree with most of it.

Regarding the Wild West, frontier towns such as Tombstone, Deadwood, Dodge City, etc. had gun control laws/ordinances prohibiting carrying guns in public. Local merchants and town founding fathers wanted quiet, peaceful communities.

Agreed on frontier towns. I guess I'm referring more to Hollywood Westerns.

 

[EyeballKid]

I'm just going with what the Durham police chief said. He's probably more in tune with crime there than either one of us. And I provided you with a link showing that anti-police activists are fighting shot spotter across the country. Like, they are saying in their own words "this is part of our anti-police strategy" and you are simply ignoring it. Brick wall indeed.

That’s my point. Thanks. You keep whining about activists instead of taking into account the evidence that city leaders across the country have access to. It’s not as though these programs haven’t been pilot-tested and studied. Instead, it must be the lousy progressive activists.

Brick wall indeed.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

That’s my point. Thanks. You keep whining about activists instead of taking into account the evidence that city leaders across the country have access to. It’s not as though these programs haven’t been pilot-tested and studied. Instead, it must be the lousy progressive activists.

Brick wall indeed.

Yup, I guess we should just ignore the activists who state in their own words that they want to get rid of ShotSpotter nationwide in their effort to abolish policing.

 

[tarheelbillie]

What about vaccines? Vaccines certainly killed the most children!

Maybe. But death by AK-47 is so much more dramatic.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Update on this case. Apparently the judge was running a sex for favor scam. " Oh, you don't have enough money to pay for that ankle monitor so you can get out on bail? Let's see if we can work something out." No indication if that was the reason the sheriff shot him.

And according to a witness who some allegedly saw some videos of people having sex with defendants in the judge's Chambers, it includes other "higher-ups" in the area.

Slain Kentucky judge allegedly linked to courtroom sextortion scandal

Lawyer claims Kevin Mullins was connected to sex-for-favors scheme akin to a ‘running a brothel’

www.theguardian.com

 

[farce©]

I wonder why the sheriff didn't arrest the judge if he was in possession of all this evidence? Is the sheriff going to claim he didn't shoot the judge? If not, what is his reasoning for pleading not guilty? We know he killed the judge. That is on videotape.