Matt Gaetz Catch-All

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Rumors are swirling that the Miami Herald has the Congressional report about Matt Gaetz that was scheduled to be released tomorrow (until Gaetz resigned abruptly allegedly because he had been nominated to be Trump’s AG), so figured a stand-alone for the Gaetz nomination and related mess might be in order.

But don’t let how insane this nomination is obfuscate how crazy other nominations (like Tulsi Gabbard and Hegseth and whatever else comes next) are. Just that Gaetz is probably going to be the designated nominee for less than a Scaramucci (one can only hope) but will generate a lot of sound and fury in the meantime.
 
There is no way they can confirm this nomination, and if Trump tries to finagle recess appointments then Thune will have to stand up to him.
 
nycfan said:
Rumors are swirling that the Miami Herald has the Congressional report about Matt Gaetz that was scheduled to be released tomorrow (until Gaetz resigned abruptly allegedly because he had been nominated to be Trump’s AG), so figured a stand-alone for the Gaetz nomination and related mess might be in order.

But don’t let how insane this nomination is obfuscate how crazy other nominations (like Tulsi Gabbard and Hegseth and whatever else comes next) are. Just that Gaetz is probably going to be the designated nominee for less than a Scaramucci (one can only hope) but will generate a lot of sound and fury in the meantime.
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I almost hit the "Report" button on this post because I wanted to read the Congressional Report on Gaetz and briefly thought the "Report" button was a link. Then I remembered, that "Report" button is on every post.
 
dukeman92 said:
There is no way they can confirm this nomination, and if Trump tries to finagle recess appointments then Thune will have to stand up to him.
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We'll see, but I don't think that's how this plays out. I think this is Trump showing he can do literally anything he wants, no matter how unpopular it may be even within the rank and file GOP. And I bet he wins.

Now, Gaetz may not stay in that role for a real long time, but I'd put my money on him being there come February.
 
CFordUNC said:
It was so nice not having to think about things like the president of the United States, the Attorney General of the United States, the secretary of defense of the United States, the Director of national intelligence, etc. every day for the last four years.
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Season 2 of the daily 🤡 show returns in a couple months and I'm so not looking forward to it. We need another writers' strike.
 
dukeman92 said:
There is no way they can confirm this nomination, and if Trump tries to finagle recess appointments then Thune will have to stand up to him.
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Pubs? Stand up to Trump? Lololololololololololol. They are the most feckless, spineless little bitches our country has ever seen. They’ll let Collins and Murkowski vote No to keep their cred as moderates and the rest will get in line.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
Pubs? Stand up to Trump? Lololololololololololol. They are the most feckless, spineless little bitches our country has ever seen. They’ll let Collins and Murkowski vote No to keep their cred as moderates and the rest will get in line.
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Not before Collins goes though a few choruses of "I'm very troubled by this" :LOL:
 
What do you think was the intent of this nomination?

Some theories I've thought of.

  1. It is just Trump trolling the DOJ and the left.
  2. Trump identifies with Gaetz, has no problem with his severe moral and ethical flaws, and simply wants him as leader of the DOJ.
  3. Trump is planning on doing terrible things and has vetted Gaetz and knows he is one of the few who would follow through with these things.
  4. This is a loyalty test for senators. If they confirm Gaetz, that is a signal to Trump that he can do anything he wants and definitely a signal that he could not be impeached.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
What do you think was the intent of this nomination?

Some theories I've thought of.

  1. It is just Trump trolling the DOJ and the left.
  2. Trump identifies with Gaetz, has no problem with his severe moral and ethical flaws, and simply wants him as leader of the DOJ.
  3. Trump is planning on doing terrible things and has vetted Gaetz and knows he is one of the few who would follow through with these things.
  4. This is a loyalty test for senators. If they confirm Gaetz, that is a signal to Trump that he can do anything he wants and definitely a signal that he could not be impeached.
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All of the above.
 
dukeman92 said:
There is no way they can confirm this nomination, and if Trump tries to finagle recess appointments then Thune will have to stand up to him.
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I'll be shocked if Thune or more than 1 or 2 GOP Senators actually stand up and oppose Trump on this. Lindsey Graham was already excusing voting for him this morning by saying that Trump won the election and has a mandate so basically the Senate should let him name who he wants to these positions. If Trump really wants him, he'll get him, imo.
 
dukeman92 said:
There is no way they can confirm this nomination, and if Trump tries to finagle recess appointments then Thune will have to stand up to him.
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LOL LOL LOL. How many times have we heard "there's no way they can do this" and then they do?

It's so tempting to view Americans as rational actors. We don't even have an adequate language to describe what is happening. All that I can think of these days is Marx's saying that "history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce." That's what we are seeing. Fascism in the 1930s was the tragedy; Trump's clown show is the farce. What Marx forgot to mention-- probably because the "farce" represented to him an opportunity for resolving contradictions and speeding history along toward its next stage -- was that the farce was also a tragedy.

Anyway, I made this mistake too, despite knowing better. It's hard to avoid. I thought there was no way that Trump/Vance would do well in Springfield OH. surely people would see that Trump and Vance ruined their communities for the sake of a story. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. This era will end up humiliating every single one of us, save possibly my brother who is convinced all the time that the worst thing will happen and recent events have made his strategy like the macabre inverse of "line goes up" investing.

Anyway, nobody in the GOP has any concept of the public good. I mean, they might be able to retrieve some dusty dictionary definition from their mental cobwebs and recite it without conviction, but they never feel it. They never think deeply -- or at all -- about what the public good means, or what it might require. They were put in their positions with a combination of pure patronage and appeals to hate, so what do we expect?
 
Mulberry Heel said:
I'll be shocked if Thune or more than 1 or 2 GOP Senators actually stand up and oppose Trump on this. Lindsey Graham was already excusing voting for him this morning by saying that Trump won the election and has a mandate so basically the Senate should let him name who he wants to these positions. If Trump really wants him, he'll get him, imo.
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Good lord. So how is that different from any president? They all won their elections so they all have a mandate.

The only logical conclusions that could be drawn from this are that 1) Graham is just a hypocritical partisan hack or 2) he thinks the framers were wrong when they put the confirmation process in the constitution.

Of course we all know which choice applies.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
What do you think was the intent of this nomination?

Some theories I've thought of.

  1. It is just Trump trolling the DOJ and the left.
  2. Trump identifies with Gaetz, has no problem with his severe moral and ethical flaws, and simply wants him as leader of the DOJ.
  3. Trump is planning on doing terrible things and has vetted Gaetz and knows he is one of the few who would follow through with these things.
  4. This is a loyalty test for senators. If they confirm Gaetz, that is a signal to Trump that he can do anything he wants and definitely a signal that he could not be impeached.
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It's mostly 3. Gaetz has some very good qualities for a Trump AG. Among them:

A. He has no reputation to protect, and he has no legal career whatsoever. Meaning, he doesn't give a shit what the GOP legal community thinks. Even the worst of the Jones Day folks in the first Trump administration would eventually have to go back to their firm and look their partners in the eye. Not everyone at Jones Day are GOP lackeys. But not Matt Gaetz.

B. He has nothing without Trump. He is reviled pretty much by everyone. He thinks he can win statewide office in Florida, but as bad as Florida may be, the voters have so many options of bad, bad people who are far less punchable that it makes me doubt that he has any competitive advantage there. Meaning, there is a zero percent chance that Gaetz pushes back.

C. Mob bosses always want all of their underlings to have committed crimes. Same with corrupt cops. It means any whistleblowing will be a suicide pact. If Gaetz doesn't do exactly as Trump wants, he will jettison Gaetz and then have his successor prosecute him. This is the strategy of dictators, and was used to great effect by Mao.

Incidentally, I've been wondering if Trump used his sit down with Kim Jong Un in Malaysia or Singapore or whatever it was -- the sit down where the US got nothing -- not to negotiate anything but simply to get advice on taking power. Same with Xi.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
The only logical conclusions that could be drawn from this are that 1) Graham is just a hypocritical partisan hack or 2) he thinks the framers were wrong when they put the confirmation process in the constitution.
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It's 1 with some 2 mixed in, though in slightly different form. It's always leopards eating faces. He thinks the confirmation process was there to stop the bad people on the other side.
 
So we are literally going to have as the AG a pedophile who was 3 days away from being outed by the House Ethics Committee? A guy whose record would preclude him from being hired as a Junior Prosecutor is going to run the show?
 
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