MJ = GOAT

[theel4life]

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Here's the competing narrative if anybody wants to play the heel to keep the discussion going on a board that might slightly favor Jordan.

Michael Jordan vs. LeBron James: The key stats you need to know in the GOAT debate | Sporting News

MJ vs. LeBron: The key stats you need to know in the GOAT debate

www.sportingnews.com

Here are playoff stats but the article has regular season in as well as some of the less advanced stats. Tldr: it's a much closer comparison if you include LeBron's rebounds and assists and Jordan's defense.

Jordan	LeBron
28.6	27.9
24.7	36.1
11.1	10.0
39.8	58.7
56.8	58.4
35.6	31.7

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[Bigs23]

Here's the competing narrative if anybody wants to play the heel to keep the discussion going on a board that might slightly favor Jordan.

Michael Jordan vs. LeBron James: The key stats you need to know in the GOAT debate | Sporting News

MJ vs. LeBron: The key stats you need to know in the GOAT debate

www.sportingnews.com

Here are playoff stats but the article has regular season in as well as some of the less advanced stats. Tldr: it's a much closer comparison if you include LeBron's rebounds and assists and Jordan's defense.

Jordan	LeBron
28.6	27.9
24.7	36.1
11.1	10.0
39.8	58.7
56.8	58.4
35.6	31.7

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Advanced

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Player Efficiency Rating

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Value Over Replacement

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Box Plus/Minus

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Win Shares

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True Shooting %

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Usage %

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You could do one for LeBron like that too.

It’s a bit harder to compare them now because LeBron has played so much longer than MJ did.

But yeah MJ is the GOAT, LeBron is next on the list.

 

[theel4life]

You could do one for LeBron like that too.

It’s a bit harder to compare them now because LeBron has played so much longer than MJ did.

But yeah MJ is the GOAT, LeBron is next on the list.

Kobe is next

 

[SnoopRob]

Kobe is next

 

[Heelsandeers]

Any awards determined by media should be taken with a big grain of salt. Lowest tier criteria in these types of comparisons

 

[duluoz]

Kobe is next

Whether or not he is… in a schoolyard pick for one high-stakes game, after MJ I’m taking Kobe or Magic before anyone else. Without even blinking.

That may be a different question, or it may not be.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Whether or not he is… in a schoolyard pick for one high-stakes game, after MJ I’m taking Kobe or Magic before anyone else. Without even blinking.

That may be a different question, or it may not be.

I kind of wonder if you are better off taking a guard or a big man for playground 1v1. Could MJ stop Shaq or Kareem if they just back-in? I don't think any big man is fast enough to guard any outside shot and most of those are worth 3 points.

Would MJ or someone like Steph miss enough to account for a close to 100% make rate if Shaq gets close to the rim?

 

[rodoheel]

Kobe is next

Kobe is not top 5

 

[duluoz]

I kind of wonder if you are better off taking a guard or a big man. Could MJ stop Shaq or Kareem if they just back-in? I don't think any big man is fast enough to guard any outside shot and most of those are worth 3 points.

Would MJ or someone like Steph miss enough to account for a close to 100% make rate if Shaq gets close to the rim?

I’m talking 5v5, not 1v1… and in the hypothetical there is someone like Hakeem or Russell or Kareem to guard Shaq, etc. The rest would offset.

If the guy picking first takes MJ, I’m taking Magic or Kobe. It’s about whose intangibles as a leader and whose killer instinct I trust the most, at the highest level and for a single game.

 

[theel4life]

Kobe is not top 5

 

[dukeman92]

Kobe is not top 5

LeBron is not top five.

 

[theel4life]

LeBron is not top five.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

So I guess the question is do you take Shaq or another big man vs next best or Jordan vs next best. I think you would have to give that to Jordan based on results in the league. That guy wanted to win more than anything and guys like Shaq and Kareem had other priorities.

I realize its a different question but I still wonder who would win 1v1. And I guess you have to expand it to forwards like Lebron and Duncan, who are faster than a big man but taller and stronger than a guard, and vice versa.

 

[rodoheel]

Can you make a case for Kobe over multiple of Lebron, MJ, KAJ, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Shaq? (You can throw Chamberlain and Russell in there too; to me those guys are really hard to sort because the NBA they played in was so different from the modern NBA.) IMO Kobe's in the next tier with Hakeem, Curry, Jokic, Moses, etc.

 

[rodoheel]

LeBron is not top five.

This is helpful in that it helps me understand that your bball opinions are not worth taking seriously, lol

 

[rodoheel]

So I guess the question is do you take Shaq or another big man vs next best or Jordan vs next best. I think you would have to give that to Jordan based on results in the league. That guy wanted to win more than anything and guys like Shaq and Kareem had other priorities.

I realize its a different question but I still wonder who would win 1v1. And I guess you have to expand it to forwards like Lebron and Duncan, who are faster than a big man but taller and stronger than a guard, and vice versa.

Tim Duncan is a pure big man, lol.

 

[rodoheel]

Any awards determined by media should be taken with a big grain of salt. Lowest tier criteria in these types of comparisons

OK so we're supposed to have this discussion without considering MVP, Finals MVP, All-NBA, and All-Defensive awards, among others?

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Tim Duncan is a pure big man, lol.

Duncan played more Power Forward than Center in the NBA. He played with a really good center for many of those years but even after David Robinson retired, he was still mostly a forward.

 

[Bigs23]

I’m taking LeBron over Kobe in any situation other than a free throw shooting contest.