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Article today in Politico about her.


She's been through a lot, apparently. Molested at 14, raped at 16, raped again by an unknown assailant but recorded on her fiance's cellphone. She got 1300 death threats last year. Let's not forget when her house was vandalized by dyslexics. Apparently when she tried to report the rape, she was repeatedly told she would be arrested if she spoke up.

I really don't want to be insensitive, but should I be skeptical about these stories? She seems desperate for attention.
 
superrific said:
Article today in Politico about her.


She's been through a lot, apparently. Molested at 14, raped at 16, raped again by an unknown assailant but recorded on her fiance's cellphone. She got 1300 death threats last year. Let's not forget when her house was vandalized by dyslexics. Apparently when she tried to report the rape, she was repeatedly told she would be arrested if she spoke up.

I really don't want to be insensitive, but should I be skeptical about these stories? She seems desperate for attention.
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Yes you should be skeptical
 
This quote from the article, apparently from people who know and have known here, is completely consistent with what I would speculate simply from experiencing the things she says and does pubicly:

She is, according to scores of ex-staffers and ex-friends, operatives and colleagues from both parties and a spectrum of people who know her and have known her for a long time, “unstable” and “unhinged” and “unwell.”

I have no idea about the truth of the trauma she has gone through, though her public persona is consistent with someone who has gone through some kind of trauma and is not entirely well, from a mental perspective. Whatever that condition is, it does not excuse the many, many absolutely horrible things she has said, done, and supported in her official capacity, many of which have likely caused or contributed to many other people suffering their own trauma. She is also clearly extremely ambitious and self-centered and craves power and attention.

I also think these statement are pretty insightful:

She might be the most Donald Trump-like figure in American politics not named Donald Trump.

In this disruptive era of such twisted incentives — in which attention of any sort is the preeminent font of power, in which intemperance registers for so many as authenticity, in which Trump turned legal and reputational peril into the appearance of persecution into election and then reelection — Mace is perhaps as effective as she is not because she’s altogether well but because she’s altogether not.

We as a nation are apparently drawn to people who are liable to do and say anything at any given moment; who go through life seemingly without a filter and with a brain that can change tracks at any times. It would seem fairly self-evident that no matter how drawn we are to such people, we should not want them in positions of political power. But maybe because so many Americans are at least a little bit broken in their own way, it makes them feel good to see these other profoundly broken and problematic people succeeding and making important decisions.
 
rodoheel said:
This quote from the article, apparently from people who know and have known here, is completely consistent with what I would speculate simply from experiencing the things she says and does pubicly:

She is, according to scores of ex-staffers and ex-friends, operatives and colleagues from both parties and a spectrum of people who know her and have known her for a long time, “unstable” and “unhinged” and “unwell.”

I have no idea about the truth of the trauma she has gone through, though her public persona is consistent with someone who has gone through some kind of trauma and is not entirely well, from a mental perspective. Whatever that condition is, it does not excuse the many, many absolutely horrible things she has said, done, and supported in her official capacity, many of which have likely caused or contributed to many other people suffering their own trauma. She is also clearly extremely ambitious and self-centered and craves power and attention.

I also think these statement are pretty insightful:

She might be the most Donald Trump-like figure in American politics not named Donald Trump.

In this disruptive era of such twisted incentives — in which attention of any sort is the preeminent font of power, in which intemperance registers for so many as authenticity, in which Trump turned legal and reputational peril into the appearance of persecution into election and then reelection — Mace is perhaps as effective as she is not because she’s altogether well but because she’s altogether not.

We as a nation are apparently drawn to people who are liable to do and say anything at any given moment; who go through life seemingly without a filter and with a brain that can change tracks at any times. It would seem fairly self-evident that no matter how drawn we are to such people, we should not want them in positions of political power. But maybe because so many Americans are at least a little bit broken in their own way, it makes them feel good to see these other profoundly broken and problematic people succeeding and making important decisions.
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One of my neighbors went to the Citadel with her. He didn’t seem to think very highly of her and said that she went to the Citadel for the wrong reasons. He made it sound like she wasn’t very well thought of there by her fellow students. This neighbor is also someone who probably voted for Trump and probably votes Republican 100% of the time.
 
rodoheel said:
This quote from the article, apparently from people who know and have known here, is completely consistent with what I would speculate simply from experiencing the things she says and does pubicly:

She is, according to scores of ex-staffers and ex-friends, operatives and colleagues from both parties and a spectrum of people who know her and have known her for a long time, “unstable” and “unhinged” and “unwell.”

I have no idea about the truth of the trauma she has gone through, though her public persona is consistent with someone who has gone through some kind of trauma and is not entirely well, from a mental perspective. Whatever that condition is, it does not excuse the many, many absolutely horrible things she has said, done, and supported in her official capacity, many of which have likely caused or contributed to many other people suffering their own trauma. She is also clearly extremely ambitious and self-centered and craves power and attention.

I also think these statement are pretty insightful:

She might be the most Donald Trump-like figure in American politics not named Donald Trump.

In this disruptive era of such twisted incentives — in which attention of any sort is the preeminent font of power, in which intemperance registers for so many as authenticity, in which Trump turned legal and reputational peril into the appearance of persecution into election and then reelection — Mace is perhaps as effective as she is not because she’s altogether well but because she’s altogether not.

We as a nation are apparently drawn to people who are liable to do and say anything at any given moment; who go through life seemingly without a filter and with a brain that can change tracks at any times. It would seem fairly self-evident that no matter how drawn we are to such people, we should not want them in positions of political power. But maybe because so many Americans are at least a little bit broken in their own way, it makes them feel good to see these other profoundly broken and problematic people succeeding and making important decisions.
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"We as a nation are apparently drawn to people who are liable to do and say anything at any given moment; who go through life seemingly without a filter and with a brain that can change tracks at any times. It would seem fairly self-evident that no matter how drawn we are to such people, we should not want them in positions of political power. But maybe because so many Americans are at least a little bit broken in their own way, it makes them feel good to see these other profoundly broken and problematic people succeeding and making important decisions."

That is terrifying...
 
She is loony toons, but possible that was caused by or exacerbated by trauma.

Big picture though, she does not belong in politics representing anyone bc she is that unstable and erratic
 
Oddball said:
She is loony toons, but possible that was caused by or exacerbated by trauma.

Big picture though, she does not belong in politics representing anyone bc she is that unstable and erratic
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Just like Trump doesn't for the same reason. Except he also raped women.
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
"We as a nation are apparently drawn to people who are liable to do and say anything at any given moment; who go through life seemingly without a filter and with a brain that can change tracks at any times. It would seem fairly self-evident that no matter how drawn we are to such people, we should not want them in positions of political power. But maybe because so many Americans are at least a little bit broken in their own way, it makes them feel good to see these other profoundly broken and problematic people succeeding and making important decisions."

That is terrifying...
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I've always been mystified by why people are drawn to reality TV. It's just never made sense to me.
 
Icky Mettle said:
One of my neighbors went to the Citadel with her. He didn’t seem to think very highly of her and said that she went to the Citadel for the wrong reasons. He made it sound like she wasn’t very well thought of there by her fellow students. This neighbor is also someone who probably voted for Trump and probably votes Republican 100% of the time.
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Citadel
And people say aTm is a cult
 
Icky Mettle said:
One of my neighbors went to the Citadel with her. He didn’t seem to think very highly of her and said that she went to the Citadel for the wrong reasons. He made it sound like she wasn’t very well thought of there by her fellow students. This neighbor is also someone who probably voted for Trump and probably votes Republican 100% of the time.
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Not sure I'd put much stock in that. She was the first female graduate. I'd guess that most of those students wouldn't have thought highly of her no matter who she was. This guy being a Trumper only reinforces that impression.
 
Pretty interesting that there’s been quite a bit written recently about her relationship with alcohol, but virtually no mention of it in the article.
 
superrific said:
Not sure I'd put much stock in that. She was the first female graduate. I'd guess that most of those students wouldn't have thought highly of her no matter who she was. This guy being a Trumper only reinforces that impression.
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Don’t think that was the case. He also went to school there with Petra Lovetinska and talked about how she was highly respected by everyone there and that she was a badass. He liked her a lot. He said she went there for the “right reasons” (I think by that he means she just wanted to serve and didn’t go simply to make a name for herself for later political purposes). It was widely believed by students there that the only reason Mace made her way through was because her of her dad.
 
ZenMode said:
Her fiancé should have intervened rather than recording video.
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That is unquestionably true. It is so true that it makes me wonder if it happened as she said.

For me, she will always be defined by that episode where she claimed that her house was vandalized, but the graffiti was facing the wrong direction and it was obvious she did it or had it done.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Don’t think that was the case. He also went to school there with Petra Lovetinska and talked about how she was highly respected by everyone there and that she was a badass. He liked her a lot. He said she went there for the “right reasons” (I think by that he means she just wanted to serve and didn’t go simply to make a name for herself for later political purposes). It was widely believed by students there that the only reason Mace made her way through was because her of her dad.
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Interesting. I was sort of surprised seeing naivete from you, so it's not surprising that you had more to the story.
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
I've always been mystified by why people are drawn to reality TV. It's just never made sense to me.
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I understand why people love to watch dysfunctional/diabolical characters on Survivor or Real Housewives of Wherever, but the notion that they would vote for them as leaders amazes me. Imagine watching Donald Trump on The Apprentice and thinking, "Yeah, that's what we need in the White House."
 
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