NC Supreme Court race - Riggs ahead +623 | Recount to come

dukeman92 said:
Looks like she’s going to win her race for NC Supreme Court, capping a pretty strong election cycle for Democrats in the Tar Heel State. A night that included breaking the republican supermajority in the state legislature.

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Just shows how asinine it is that the Pubs could get a supermajority in the legislature to begin with. This state is razor thin at the margin, yet our state and national reps are skewed heavily Republican. Curious if the resident MAGA crew has any amount of shame around the gerrymandering their party has done. Who am I kidding, MAGA has no shame.
 
Enigma94 said:
Just shows how asinine it is that the Pubs could get a supermajority in the legislature to begin with. This state is razor thin at the margin, yet our state and national reps are skewed heavily Republican. Curious if the resident MAGA crew has any amount of shame around the gerrymandering their party has done. Who am I kidding, MAGA has no shame.
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"But Democrats used to do it" (yeah with pencils and paper, not with computers)
 
Enigma94 said:
Just shows how asinine it is that the Pubs could get a supermajority in the legislature to begin with. This state is razor thin at the margin, yet our state and national reps are skewed heavily Republican. Curious if the resident MAGA crew has any amount of shame around the gerrymandering their party has done. Who am I kidding, MAGA has no shame.
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I mean it is long past time for anyone to still be asking whether anyone MAGA has any shame about anything. They don't and it's pointless to keep asking. The hypocrisy is the point, and there's no use trying to reason with them about it.
 
rodoheel said:
I mean it is long past time for anyone to still be asking whether anyone MAGA has any shame about anything. They don't and it's pointless to keep asking. The hypocrisy is the point, and there's no use trying to reason with them about it.
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I wasn't asking. I was pointing out.
 
Enigma94 said:
Just shows how asinine it is that the Pubs could get a supermajority in the legislature to begin with. This state is razor thin at the margin, yet our state and national reps are skewed heavily Republican. Curious if the resident MAGA crew has any amount of shame around the gerrymandering their party has done. Who am I kidding, MAGA has no shame.
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The state is gerrymandered up the wazoo!
 
One reason Riggs winning would be huge is that it will make it easier to set Democrats up to retake control of the State Supreme Court in 2028. And if NC is ever going to have a Democratic-controlled legislature again then it's likely that it will have to happen in the courts, especially the State Supreme Court. Winning back control of the NC Supreme Court should be a top priority for the NC Democratic Party during the next few years.
 
aGDevil2k said:
"But Democrats used to do it" (yeah with pencils and paper, not with computers)
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Right-Wing Democrats did it to Moderate Democrats back in the day, when Republicans largely did not exist in NC. Want to hazard a guess at what Right-Wing Democrats in North Carolina are called now? I'll give you a hint, it starts with "R". In the 1952 and 1956 elections, North Carolina went for the Democratic candidate, Adlai Stvenson II, the governor of Illinois both times. We wouldn't even vote for Eisenhower, because he was the Republican candidate.
 
05C40 said:
Right-Wing Democrats did it to Moderate Democrats back in the day, when Republicans largely did not exist in NC. Want to hazard a guess at what Right-Wing Democrats in North Carolina are called now? I'll give you a hint, it starts with "R". In the 1952 and 1956 elections, North Carolina went for the Democratic candidate, Adlai Stvenson II, the governor of Illinois both times. We wouldn't even vote for Eisenhower, because he was the Republican candidate.
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Brad Miller bragged about gerrymandering the Republicans after the 1990 census. He bragged about doing so before they did so. Pretty certain he talked about it during the campaign.

I’ve known Brad since 1986 when he was the Wake County Democratic Party Chair.

I was managing most of the field operations in Wake County for the County Party and the Price Campaign; Terry Sanford’s ‘86 campaign was non-existent in NC’s 4th Congressional District (Wake, Franklin, Orange, Chatham, and Randolph) and Durham County - the Sanford Campaign rightly decided Durham would deliver and that David’s campaign would carry the 4th - no one ever said Uncle Terry was stupid.

Brad and I met each day from early July to after Election Day.

I subsequently ran one of Brad’s campaigns.

Brad was ALL-IN on gerrymandering after the 1990 Census and both happy and proud to gerrymander the hell out of North Carolina.
 
Zoo_View said:
Brad Miller bragged about gerrymandering the Republicans after the 1990 census. He bragged about doing so before they did so. Pretty certain he talked about it during the campaign.

I’ve known Brad since 1986 when he was the Wake County Democratic Party Chair.

I was managing most of the field operations in Wake County for the County Party and the Price Campaign; Terry Sanford’s ‘86 campaign was non-existent in NC’s 4th Congressional District (Wake, Franklin, Orange, Chatham, and Randolph) and Durham County - the Sanford Campaign rightly decided Durham would deliver and that David’s campaign would carry the 4th - no one ever said Uncle Terry was stupid.

Brad and I met each day from early July to after Election Day.

I subsequently ran one of Brad’s campaigns.

Brad was ALL-IN on gerrymandering after the 1990 Census and both happy and proud to gerrymander the hell out of North Carolina.
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It's no big secret "bo-sides" have done it. Gerrymandering, that is. And it's certainly common knowledge the Dems "did it first" (or perhaps did it first on a larger, more egregious scale with intent). But did they really "do it first"? Perhaps...

But that doesn't make it right - or a good thing. The Pubs learned the lesson well and took it to a whole new level in 2010. A whole new level. AND they parlayed that advantage to further disenfranchise democrats. NC is a solidly PURPLE State, but that is not reflected at all with the way districts are now drawn.

Districts in every State should be drawn by a neutral - even computer-aided model - and they should be drawn to reflect all THREE major political domains: Democrat, Independent and Republican.

AND - the unaffiliated/independent candidates should automatically appear on all ballots for all elections without having to jump through hoops, such as garnering 10's of thousands of "signatures" on a petition. That's total B.S. You know it, I know it and the American people know it. The registered Unaffiliated/Independents comprise a solid 1/3 (or more) of all registered voters. They - I - need representation in Raleigh and D.C.
 
Centerpiece said:
It's no big secret "bo-sides" have done it. Gerrymandering, that is. And it's certainly common knowledge the Dems "did it first" (or perhaps did it first on a larger, more egregious scale with intent). But did they really "do it first"? Perhaps...

But that doesn't make it right - or a good thing. The Pubs learned the lesson well and took it to a whole new level in 2010. A whole new level. AND they parlayed that advantage to further disenfranchise democrats. NC is a solidly PURPLE State, but that is not reflected at all with the way districts are now drawn.

Districts in every State should be drawn by a neutral - even computer-aided model - and they should be drawn to reflect all THREE major political domains: Democrat, Independent and Republican.

AND - the unaffiliated/independent candidates should automatically appear on all ballots for all elections without having to jump through hoops, such as garnering 10's of thousands of "signatures" on a petition. That's total B.S. You know it, I know it and the American people know it. The registered Unaffiliated/Independents comprise a solid 1/3 (or more) of all registered voters. They - I - need representation in Raleigh and D.C.
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All of what you say would be OK if everyone operated in good faith. But certain segments of the population do not operate in good faith. When I go to vote, I don't want a ballot with several hundred candidates for governor or president. There has to be some screening mechanism to prevent, well, prevent people like me from running for public office under the name "Go Heels!"
 
Centerpiece said:
It's no big secret "bo-sides" have done it. Gerrymandering, that is. And it's certainly common knowledge the Dems "did it first" (or perhaps did it first on a larger, more egregious scale with intent). But did they really "do it first"? Perhaps...

But that doesn't make it right - or a good thing. The Pubs learned the lesson well and took it to a whole new level in 2010. A whole new level. AND they parlayed that advantage to further disenfranchise democrats. NC is a solidly PURPLE State, but that is not reflected at all with the way districts are now drawn.

Districts in every State should be drawn by a neutral - even computer-aided model - and they should be drawn to reflect all THREE major political domains: Democrat, Independent and Republican.

AND - the unaffiliated/independent candidates should automatically appear on all ballots for all elections without having to jump through hoops, such as garnering 10's of thousands of "signatures" on a petition. That's total B.S. You know it, I know it and the American people know it. The registered Unaffiliated/Independents comprise a solid 1/3 (or more) of all registered voters. They - I - need representation in Raleigh and D.C.
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Agree for the most part. The problem with all non-party cndidates is what constitutes a serious candidate? The Bad Dog Bit Me candidate? Alfred E Neuman? Semi-serious little known unaffiliated candidates? Who decides to put whom on the ballot? Everyone submitting whatever paperwork and fees could mean pages of candidates for governer. Extreme, yes. But there you are.
 
05C40 said:
All of what you say would be OK if everyone operated in good faith. But certain segments of the population do not operate in good faith. When I go to vote, I don't want a ballot with several hundred candidates for governor or president. There has to be some screening mechanism to prevent, well, prevent people like me from running for public office under the name "Go Heels!"
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You'd have my vote!
 
Agree. So the solution is to allow an "Independent Party" consisting of "Registered Independent" voters only. Just like the Pubs, Dems, Greens and Libertarians. These party members would now be "affiliated" with an official "party" and they would no longer be designated "unaffiliated" but instead be called "Independents" and part and parcel of the newly minted "Independent Party". Which would in turn follow the norms and procedures of the other "official" partys. They could have agazillion hats thrown into the ring, including but not limited to: Go Heels (O5C40) and A.E. Neuman, (that's you grimes)... but then they would all have to pass muster with the party officials, primary ballots, etc.. And after all is said and done, they settle on a candidate to represent the party.

There has to be a logistical way to allow ALL OF THOSE GDI'S TO GET ONE OF THEIR OWN ON THE BALLOT WITHOUT JUMPING THROUGH SO MANY EXTRANEOUS HOOPS! (GDI = God Damn Independents - for those frat boys out there who may not know there is such a thing on college campuses).
 
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