Yeah. I guess we're at an impasse. You don't think Democrats would ever do that in North Carolina and I do. And I think they should if the situation ever arises.
Just like Cornel West and Claudia De La Cruz who were invalidated in Georgia. They did not get enough signatures to be eligible on the ballot. Voters were instructed they were ineligible. Chase Oliver and Jill Stein were eligible. This is apples and oranges from what is happening in NC.
georgiarecorder.com
Well it's different in the sense that it's not exactly the issue at hand in The North Carolina election. I completely agree. The claim I was refuting was that Democrats would not use the courts to invalidate votes. I think they would and I think they should in some cases.Just like Cornel West and Claudia De La Cruz who were invalidated in Georgia. They did not get enough signatures to be eligible on the ballot. Voters were instructed they were ineligible. Chase Oliver and Jill Stein were eligible. This is apples and oranges from what is happening in NC.
“A lawyer for Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger told justices during arguments Tuesday that it was too late to change ballots, but if the court ruled against the candidates, Raffensperger’s office would place notices at polling places and within absentee ballot envelopes that votes for either candidate will not be counted. With this decision, Georgians will choose between Republican Donald Trump, Democrat Kamala Harris, Libertarian Chase Oliver and Green Party candidate Jill Stein on Nov. 5.”
Georgia Supreme Court rejects appeal by independents West, De la Cruz to count their votes • Georgia Recorder
The Georgia Supreme Court has ruled against bids by two independent presidential candidates to count on ballots for the state’s November election.
When have the Democrats in the past attempted to invalidate votes post Election Day that shows they would do the same in the future? Or are you saying that because the Republicans have done it that it stands to reason that the Democrats would do it too?
Debatable...
Dan McCready versus Dan Bishop. In that case, the Democrats were right to challenge those mail-in ballots, and I hope they would in the future.
You mean where there was election fraud (ballot harvesting)?
Yes. That is the case where "Democrats in the past attempted to invalidate votes post Election Day that shows they would do the same in the future." Fortunately, they succeeded.
Because there were literally crimes that were committed and it was the BOE who flagged them. This isn’t the same as a candidate asking for 60K votes to be invalidated and is circumventing the process to do it. I give you an A for effort because you try so hard grasping at straws to make a point that Democrats do it too (bosiding). But it’s not the same and another bad example.
I completely agree that its not exactly like the current court case. But that's not what you asked for. You specifically asked for a case where Democrats invalidated votes after the election. Before that, somebody else asked for a case where Democrats invalidated votes.Because there were literally crimes that were committed and it was the BOE who flagged them. This isn’t the same as a candidate asking for 60K votes to be invalidated and is circumventing the process to do it. I give you an A for effort because you try so hard grasping at straws to make a point that Democrats do it too (bosiding). But it’s not the same and another bad example.
“In 2018, Mark Harris, a Republican, won the race to represent North Carolina’s ninth congressional district. But shortly after the election, the North Carolina state board of elections voted to overturn a congressional election and call a new one after an investigation revealed that a Harris operative was illegally collecting absentee ballots from voters. Harris decided not to run again and Bishop ultimately won the seat.
The operative, Leslie McCrae Dowless, allegedly instructed those working for him to falsely sign as witnesses for voters though they had not witnessed the voter filling out the ballot and making it seem like the voter mailed back the ballot themselves when they had not. People working for Dowless said they collected hundreds of mail-in ballots and in some cases were directed to fill in votes for local candidates. In North Carolina, a voter must get two witnesses or a notary to sign an absentee ballot envelope and it is illegal for anyone other than the voter, a close relative, or a legal guardian to return the ballot.
Dowless was charged with several felonies for the conduct in the 2016 and 2018 elections. He died in 2022, before the case went to trial. Several others involved in the scheme pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.“
North Carolina Republican dismisses 2018 state election fraud as ‘fairly minor’
Dan Bishop says state board that called for new election after illegal absentee ballot collection was ‘under Democrat control’www.theguardian.com
He sees his whataboutism and Bo-siding.
Don’t limit it to NC Democrats. You didn’t with your Georgia example. Find an example where a Democrat candidate in any state tried to have votes invalidated after the election regardless of state.
At this point I don't even think you're listening. I've already given you an example of a Democrat candidate in any state that tried to have votes invalidated after the election. Bishop versus McCready.
This is key. They were dealt with in the normal process -- which includes appeals to the BOE. It was not a wholesale invalidation.
The BOE invalidated them because of election fraud with multiple people charged. Apples to oranges but probably the best you will find.
No, he made the decisions on time. It was the opinion writing. Everyone knew whether he was writing the majority, a concurrence or a dissent. He was just too gd thorough.
Yes. You're absolutely correct. That is an example of Democrats trying to have the votes invalidated after the election in any state.
Actually there was a new election rather having certain votes being thrown out. And that was after a hearing in which the candidate being investigated said he didn’t want to continue proceeding with the hearing and that there should be a new election.
No, it isn’t. It is the BOE flagging voter fraud.