NC Supreme Court race - Riggs ahead +734 | NC Supreme Court stays certification pending appeal

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Icky Mettle said:
Here’s the thing: Those ballots went through the provisional ballot process, which means after an investigation was conducted, the county board of elections where the ballot was cast was able to resolve the question presented that made it so the voter had to to cast the provisional ballot and determined the vote should count. So, for example, where there was initially no record of registration when the person showed up to vote, the county board of elections looked into it and determined that the voter was in fact registered to vote. Thus, what Griffin is doing in that circumstance is trying to get those votes thrown out despite the fact that the county boards of elections that looked into those ballots determined that the voters were in fact registered.
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I hear you, but I don't think judicial review is such a bad thing. Currently Democratic majority boards are making the call on these ballots. If the situation was reversed, with Republican boards and a Democratic candidate just a few both shy, we would be demanding judicial review as well.

Now whether those County boards or that judicial review are impartial is another question but I have to think the judicial review is more likely to be impartial than some local electoral boards.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I hear you, but I don't think judicial review is such a bad thing. Currently Democratic majority boards are making the call on these ballots. If the situation was reversed, with Republican boards and a Democratic candidate just a few both shy, we would be demanding judicial review as well.

Now whether those County boards or that judicial review are impartial is another question but I have to think the judicial review is more likely to be impartial than some local electoral boards.
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The consistency of your hypocrisy is impressive
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I hear you, but I don't think judicial review is such a bad thing. Currently Democratic majority boards are making the call on these ballots. If the situation was reversed, with Republican boards and a Democratic candidate just a few both shy, we would be demanding judicial review as well.

Now whether those County boards or that judicial review are impartial is another question but I have to think the judicial review is more likely to be impartial than some local electoral boards.
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If that’s the case, could you point us to some examples of Dems doing the same thing? Because many county election boards in NC are Pub controlled and there have been countless close races in those counties that the Dems have not challenged with anything more that a recount request.

It’s ok to call out the Pubs for the unprecedented fuckery they’re engaged in these days. It’s really ok. You don’t have to feel bad about it.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I hear you, but I don't think judicial review is such a bad thing. Currently Democratic majority boards are making the call on these ballots. If the situation was reversed, with Republican boards and a Democratic candidate just a few both shy, we would be demanding judicial review as well.

Now whether those County boards or that judicial review are impartial is another question but I have to think the judicial review is more likely to be impartial than some local electoral boards.
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This makes absolutely no sense, so I assume you don’t actually believe it but are simply playing your contrarian game.
 
lawtig02 said:
If that’s the case, could you point us to some examples of Dems doing the same thing? Because many county election boards in NC are Pub controlled and there have been countless close races in those counties that the Dems have not challenged with anything more that a recount request.

It’s ok to call out the Pubs for the unprecedented fuckery they’re engaged in these days. It’s really ok. You don’t have to feel bad about it.
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Really? I have to say I am very surprised at that. Can you give me an example of one board in North Carolina that was Republican controlled in the last election? I'll give you a head start. Mitchell County is the most Republican County in North Carolina.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Really? I have to say I am very surprised at that. Can you give me an example of one board in North Carolina that was Republican controlled in the last election? I'll give you a head start. Mitchell County is the most Republican County in North Carolina.
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Last election? What does that have to do with anything?
 
lawtig02 said:
Last election? What does that have to do with anything?
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They are the ones deciding whether provisional ballots are are valid or not? Also you wrote this...

"Because many county election boards in NC are Pub controlled and there have been countless close races in those counties that the Dems have not challenged with anything more that a recount request."

I assume the "are Pub controlled" meant the current boards. Did you want to edit your post now that you've figured out how county election boards have been appointed?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
They are the ones deciding whether provisional ballots are are valid or not? Also you wrote this...

"Because many county election boards in NC are Pub controlled and there have been countless close races in those counties that the Dems have not challenged with anything more that a recount request."

I assume the "are Pub controlled" meant the current boards. Did you want to edit your post now that you've figured out how county election boards have been appointed?
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Go back in time then. Surely you can find an example of Dems doing what Pubs are doing now if you’re so certain Dems would be doing the same thing. A close race for a judicial position is not exactly a unique phenomenon in NC.
 
lawtig02 said:
Go back in time then. Surely you can find an example of Dems doing what Pubs are doing now if you’re so certain Dems would be doing the same thing. A close race for a judicial position is not exactly a unique phenomenon in NC.
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Careful. Those goal posts get heavy. You'll hurt your back.

But yes, I would say the same thing if there was a Republican board trying to beat a Democrat in a close election: Let the judiciary review it instead of a partisan board.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Careful. Those goal posts get heavy. You'll hurt your back.

But yes, I would say the same thing if there was a Republican board trying to disenfranchise Democrats in a close election: Let the judiciary review it instead of a partisan board.
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You think I’m moving the goalposts? Defend your position that Dems would be doing the same thing Pubs are doing if the situation was reversed. Or admit you were full of shit. Either way is fine with me.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Careful. Those goal posts get heavy. You'll hurt your back.

But yes, I would say the same thing if there was a Republican board trying to beat a Democrat in a close election: Let the judiciary review it instead of a partisan board.
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I hope the Democratic Party in NC is taking accurate and complete notes and starting next year go about burning it the fuck down. Every fucking race they lose…..take it all the way to the Supreme Court.
 
lawtig02 said:
You think I’m moving the goalposts? Defend your position that Dems would be doing the same thing Pubs are doing if the situation was reversed. Or admit you were full of shit. Either way is fine with me.
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There really haven't been a whole lot of Republican governors in NC. Exactly three since the law was passed 120 odd years ago. So no, there's no evidence that I could find but absence of evidence...

But you think Democrats would roll over if they had a chance to win a Supreme Court seat? I happen to think my party would have a little bit more of a backbone.
 
TitanNC said:
I hope the Democratic Party in NC is taking accurate and complete notes and starting next year go about burning it the fuck down. Every fucking race they lose…..take it all the way to the Supreme Court.
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I have no doubt they will in every close race where they think they have a chance. And frankly they should.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I hear you, but I don't think judicial review is such a bad thing. Currently Democratic majority boards are making the call on these ballots. If the situation was reversed, with Republican boards and a Democratic candidate just a few both shy, we would be demanding judicial review as well.

Now whether those County boards or that judicial review are impartial is another question but I have to think the judicial review is more likely to be impartial than some local electoral boards.
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If you can't show where the positions have been reversed in the past, then you're making shit up and using made up shit to justify your position. That's called delusion.

We don't have to indulge your delusions.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
There really haven't been a whole lot of Republican governors in NC. Exactly three since the law was passed 120 odd years ago. So no, there's no evidence that I could find but absence of evidence...

But you think Democrats would roll over if they had a chance to win a Supreme Court seat? I happen to think my party would have a little bit more of a backbone.
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I am extremely confident NC Dems would not be attempting to disqualify tens of thousands of votes that had been determined by local officials to be valid. So no, I do not think there’s any semblance of equivalence here, nor should they be. What you’re suggesting Dems should do is— and what the Pubs are actually doing — is unapologetically anti-democratic.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I hear you, but I don't think judicial review is such a bad thing. Currently Democratic majority boards are making the call on these ballots. If the situation was reversed, with Republican boards and a Democratic candidate just a few both shy, we would be demanding judicial review as well.

Now whether those County boards or that judicial review are impartial is another question but I have to think the judicial review is more likely to be impartial than some local electoral boards.
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First of all, as a litigator who practices in NC, I have less faith in judicial review than I do in the county BOE review process. The county BOE review process consists of nonpartisan county BOE staff researching the provisional ballot. Those findings are then presented to the bipartisan county BOE. The county BOE consists of two republicans and two democrats, all of whom were nominated by their respective party, and one chair who was appointed by the governor. The county BOE’s determination regarding whether provisional ballots should be counted is reached at a public meeting. Neither the BOE nor its staff know the candidates for whom the voters voted. After a determination, a candidate may file a protest for the county BOE’s consideration, and if that protest is unsuccessful, may file an appeal to the state BOE.

We have a process in place for determining whether provisional votes should be counted and have had this process for numerous election cycles. Absent actual evidence of fraud or incompetence by the BOE making the determination, the losing candidate shouldn’t be able to ask for a complete do-over or nullification of counted votes after the fact just because they didn’t like the results that came out of the process once the already rather extensive process is complete.

Also, by your logic (which isn’t based on how things actually work), why leave anything up to the county BOE? Why should we have any faith at all in the voting results that they report?

ETA: Griffin’s whole intent here is to make an end-run around the process we have in place and get this in front of someone who lacks impartiality and will be favorable to him, i.e. our state Supreme Court.
 
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