NC Supreme Court race - Riggs ahead +734 | NC Supreme Court stays certification pending appeal

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“… Griffin is arguing that voters in North Carolina’s elections database who are missing driver’s license or Social Security information should have their ballots discounted. That theory was originated and championed by far-right activists working with a conservative organization that was secretly preparing to contest election results if Trump had lost the 2024 election, ProPublica has reported. The organization, the Election Integrity Network, is led by a lawyer who helped Trump try to overturn the 2020 election.

State election officials and a federal judge have rejected this theory multiple times, finding that there are many legitimate reasons for that information to be missing, including voters registering before state paperwork was updated about a year ago to require those details. “There is virtually no chance of voter fraud resulting from a voter not providing her driver’s license or social security number on her voter registration,” attorneys for the state election board wrote in legal filings.

Neither Griffin nor the right-wing activists have proven a single case of voter fraud among the 60,000 ballots. …”
 
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“… In a July 2024 call of the North Carolina chapter of the Election Integrity Network, a right-wing activist argued that a candidate who lost a close election could use the theory to contest an outcome they did not agree with, according to a recording obtained by ProPublica.

When the chapter’s leader voiced concern about the theory’s legality, calling it “voter suppression” and “100%” certain to fail in the courts, another activist said, “I guess we’re gonna find that out.”

That activist’s data analyses and arguments then became the foundation for an attempt by the Republican National Committee to disqualify hundreds of thousands of voters before the election and Griffin’s attempt to overturn the election, ProPublica found.

… Not all the Republican justices concurred with blocking the certification of Riggs’ victory. “Permitting post-election litigation that seeks to rewrite our state’s election rules — and, as a result, remove the right to vote in an election from people who already lawfully voted under the existing rules — invites incredible mischief,” Republican Justice Richard Dietz wrote in a dissent, emphasizing that Griffin’s challenge to the 60,000 ballots was “almost certainly meritless.” He was joined by Democratic Justice Anita Earls, breaking ranks with the four other Republican members of the court.

Permitting Griffin’s litigation to proceed, Dietz stated, “will lead to doubts about the finality of vote counts following an election, encourage novel legal challenges that greatly delay certification of the results, and fuel an already troubling decline in public faith in our elections.” “
 
lawtig02 said:
I am extremely confident NC Dems would not be attempting to disqualify tens of thousands of votes that had been determined by local officials to be valid. So no, I do not think there’s any semblance of equivalence here, nor should they be. What you’re suggesting Dems should do is— and what the Pubs are actually doing — is unapologetically anti-democratic.
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Sure. Georgia Democrats filed numerous lawsuits in the most recent election hoping to prevent presidential candidates from independent parties like the Socialist party and Green party from getting on the Georgia ballot after the Georgia board of elections ruled them valid. But North Carolina Democrats are cut from a whole different cloth. As long as you're extremely confident, you don't really need anything else.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Sure. Georgia Democrats filed numerous lawsuits in the most recent election hoping to prevent presidential candidates from independent parties like the Socialist party and Green party from getting on the Georgia ballot after the Georgia board of elections ruled them valid. But North Carolina Democrats are cut from a whole different cloth. As long as you're extremely confident, you don't really need anything else.
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That may be your lamest effort yet to support one of the many posts you make here without thinking it through first.
 
lawtig02 said:
That may be your lamest effort yet to support one of the many posts you make here without thinking it through first.
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He posited without offering a counter argument.

Let me try the lawTig approach. You're a lame poo poo head. Man. That is so easy. Just insult the poster and don't bother making an argument. I'm going to go with this from now on.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
He posited without offering a counter argument.

Let me try the lawTig approach. You're a lame poo poo head. Man. That is so easy. Just insult the poster and don't bother making an argument. I'm going to go with this from now on.
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Here’s your counter argument. The example you came up with, several hours after you were first called out for the inaccuracy of your initial post, has nothing whatsoever to do with the challenge the NC GOP is making to the Supreme Court race. Literally nothing. So the only conclusion is you know you were talking out of your ass this morning, but you’re too stubborn to just admit it.
 
Democrats hoping to invalidate the votes of Georgians through the court system is way different than Republicans hoping to invalidate the votes of North Carolinians through the court system?

I think you're better off going back to the insults.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Democrats hoping to invalidate the votes of Georgians through the court system is way different than Republicans hoping to invalidate the votes of North Carolinians through the court system?

I think you're better off going back to the insults.
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Serious question — do you know what a vote is?
 
uncleradar said:
In 2020 Cheri Beasley lost to Paul Newby by 401 votes. I don't recall any legal challenges- just the mandated recount.
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Yeah but Democrats held all the local boards in that election. I guess maybe she could sue the Democratic board hoping to suppress a few Republican votes but I would think if there were any question of the validity of any votes, she would be better off working that board behind the scenes and there's at least a good chance that they would rule in her favor.
 
The fact is, this thread is about North Carolina - not Georgia. Trying to equivocate is some serious "whataboutism" Or, at the very least, some dubious "bo-siding" which really adds NOTHING to the discussion of the North Carolina Supreme Court race.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Yeah but Democrats held all the local boards in that election. I guess maybe she could sue the Democratic board hoping to suppress a few Republican votes but I would think if there were any question of the validity of any votes, she would be better off working that board behind the scenes and there's at least a good chance that they would rule in her favor.
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And yet she didn’t. Hmmm.
 
Centerpiece said:
The fact is, this thread is about North Carolina - not Georgia. Trying to equivocate is some serious "whataboutism" Or, at the very least, some dubious "bo-siding" which really adds NOTHING to the discussion of the North Carolina Supreme Court race.
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Well he asked for an example. There are no examples from the three periods in the last 120 years that Republicans have held power in the North Carolina County election boards. There is one example from Georgia in the most recent election.

If you feel like Democrats in North Carolina are so much different than Democrats in Georgia and would never use the court system to invalidate the will of the voters, you may be right. I don't agree but I guess we don't know yet. I suspect we will know in the next few elections since barring a judicial challenge, Republicans will likely control those boards for the foreseeable future.
 
Q: Hey, GT, you said McDonalds would serve pizza if it could. You have an example of McDonalds ever trying to serve pizza?

GT: Here’s an example of Olive Garden serving lasagna.

Q: Yeah, that doesn’t have anything to do with McDonalds serving pizza.

GT: HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THEY’RE THE SAME THING????
 
lawtig02 said:
Glad to hear it. You want to withdraw that false post about attempting to invalidate votes in Georgia now?
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No. It's not false. Unlike this one:

lawtig02 said:
Because many county election boards in NC are Pub controlled and there have been countless close races in those counties that the Dems have not challenged with anything more that a recount request.
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You want to withdraw that false post about all those Pub controlled County election boards.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
No. It's not false. Unlike this one:


You want to withdraw that false post about all those Pub controlled County election boards.
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Sure. I’ll correct that sentence to “Because many county election boards in NC have been Pub controlled . . . .” Doesn’t change the point I was making at all, but I’m happy to make that minor correction.

Ball’s in your court now, bud. What votes in Georgia were invalidated?
 
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