New Coach, new UNC Football Catch-all | UNC Hires Bill Belichick

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nycfan said:
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Greg Barnes is working on a behind the scenes story that will likely run next week.

I have no doubt that there was dysfunction between Bubba and Preyer/Lloyd because that battle has been simmering for over a year. That said, I suspect the Athletic is over sensationalizing the issue because Sumrall is a chapass about us not really wanting him so he talked shit about us to the Athletic.

The reporting lines are pretty clear. Belichick is not going to be fired by Bubba and is not going to report to Bubba. Moreover, Bubba will likely leave before Belichick does, and Preyer only has 2.5 more years remaining on the board in the best case scenario.

The idea that internal UNC strife is going to drive out Belichick is nonsense.
 
SnoopRob said:
I wonder how much they'll actually be able to share and how much will be the official story?
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Greg usually doesn't pull too many punches, although you never get the complete story. In this case, I suspect a lot of the "disfunction" is a matter of perspective and degree. Like the idea that Preyer "offered" the job to Belichick without Bubba's knowledge. I am sure there is a lot of nuance to that "offer" that the Athletic glossed over.

John and Jen are a bit "Trumpy" in how they complain about Bubba the way a disgruntled uncle yells at the democrats after watching Fox News. They've decided that Bubba is the obstacle to getting big time at football and have basically been on a fire Bubba warpath for a while.
 
Calheel said:
Greg usually doesn't pull too many punches, although you never get the complete story. In this case, I suspect a lot of the "disfunction" is a matter of perspective and degree. Like the idea that Preyer "offered" the job to Belichick without Bubba's knowledge. I am sure there is a lot of nuance to that "offer" that the Athletic glossed over.

John and Jen are a bit "Trumpy" in how they complain about Bubba the way a disgruntled uncle yells at the democrats after watching Fox News. They've decided that Bubba is the obstacle to getting big time at football and have basically been on a fire Bubba warpath for a while.
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Interesting I figured it was the other way around at least up until a week ago.
 
Calheel said:
Greg usually doesn't pull too many punches, although you never get the complete story. In this case, I suspect a lot of the "disfunction" is a matter of perspective and degree. Like the idea that Preyer "offered" the job to Belichick without Bubba's knowledge. I am sure there is a lot of nuance to that "offer" that the Athletic glossed over.

John and Jen are a bit "Trumpy" in how they complain about Bubba the way a disgruntled uncle yells at the democrats after watching Fox News. They've decided that Bubba is the obstacle to getting big time at football and have basically been on a fire Bubba warpath for a while.
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Bubba is a great AD and I hate that anyone with any power in Chapel Hill isn't on his side.

I also don't trust anyone who got their position due to alignment with the NCGA and so I'll pretty much side against the BOT & BOG at every opportunity.
 
SnoopRob said:
Bubba is a great AD and I hate that anyone with any power in Chapel Hill isn't on his side.

I also don't trust anyone who got their position due to alignment with the NCGA and so I'll pretty much side against the BOT & BOG at every opportunity.
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I've got two beefs with Bubba:

1. Banning Navy.
2. Not going to bat for Tez.

Edit -- and a third kinda beef -- that stupid idea to paint the Victory Bell two colors, so that we would have had Duke blue rolling over Kenan when we get the Bell back next year.
 
Calheel said:
I've got two beefs with Bubba:

1. Banning Navy.
2. Not going to bat for Tez.

Edit -- and a third kinda beef -- that stupid idea to paint the Victory Bell two colors, so that we would have had Duke blue rolling over Kenan when we get the Bell back next year.
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I'm with you on the Navy ban.

I'm not sure how much more the AD could have done for Tez. Anything positive for Tez wasn't going to come from within the University but was going to have to be accomplished via legal maneuvers...which is exactly what happened. I'm glad we got a good outcome for Tez, but I don't think the AD was going to make too much of a difference due to the way the NCAA works.

The Victory Bell dual-paint idea was a good marketing idea, but we didn't need to do it. Of course, the real problem with the VB is that a rivalry with dook in football just isn't terribly compelling. We're largely expected to win and so it's not a huge deal if we win but a big issue when we lose. And when we act excited about winning it, we look a little silly. We'd be much better off if the VB rivalry was with State instead.
 
SnoopRob said:
I'm with you on the Navy ban.

I'm not sure how much more the AD could have done for Tez. Anything positive for Tez wasn't going to come from within the University but was going to have to be accomplished via legal maneuvers...which is exactly what happened. I'm glad we got a good outcome for Tez, but I don't think the AD was going to make too much of a difference due to the way the NCAA works.

The Victory Bell dual-paint idea was a good marketing idea, but we didn't need to do it. Of course, the real problem with the VB is that a rivalry with dook in football just isn't terribly compelling. We're largely expected to win and so it's not a huge deal if we win but a big issue when we lose. And when we act excited about winning it, we look a little silly. We'd be much better off if the VB rivalry was with State instead.
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UNC compliance messed up on Tez. Bubba essentially took the position that the University should drop it, rather than anger the NCAA, because the program was bigger than a single player. Jen spearheaded the efforts to get independent counsel for Tez, as well as helping to loop Josh Stein and Roy Cooper into the fight. Those tactics worked, and Tez was freed. Bubba's attitude (protect the institution over the individual) was wrong and would have significantly hurt the 2023's team performance on the field (recall the Miami game). It was a particular form of cowardice/lack of character on Bubba's part that caused me to doubt his suitability for the job.

The Victory Bell absurdity was all because he was pissed about the Duke locker room incident -- it had nothing to do with marketing. Basically, he didn't want to have another incident of spray painting the bell at the stadium and damaging Duke's carpet (the one they were ripping up anyway due to remodeling). That, too, was an act of cowardice. He was unilaterally attempting to get rid of tradition that preceded him by decades simply to eliminate a BS issue.
 
Calheel said:
UNC compliance messed up on Tez. Bubba essentially took the position that the University should drop it, rather than anger the NCAA, because the program was bigger than a single player. Jen spearheaded the efforts to get independent counsel for Tez, as well as helping to loop Josh Stein and Roy Cooper into the fight. Those tactics worked, and Tez was freed. Bubba's attitude (protect the institution over the individual) was wrong and would have significantly hurt the 2023's team performance on the field (recall the Miami game). It was a particular form of cowardice/lack of character on Bubba's part that caused me to doubt his suitability for the job.

The Victory Bell absurdity was all because he was pissed about the Duke locker room incident -- it had nothing to do with marketing. Basically, he didn't want to have another incident of spray painting the bell at the stadium and damaging Duke's carpet (the one they were ripping up anyway due to remodeling). That, too, was an act of cowardice. He was unilaterally attempting to get rid of tradition that preceded him by decades simply to eliminate a BS issue.
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Bubba was right about the Tez issue from the University/AD perspective in that the institution is bigger than a single player. And what needed to happen was exactly what happened, non-direct institutional actors needed to assist Tez via a legal response that was the obvious next step in his process. I don't have an issue with Bubba making the right call for the AD's office & University when the next steps were those that largely needed to happen outside of the purview of the AD/University.

Yeah, there was certainly the stuff about the VB painting causing damage. That was silly thing, but also a very minor thing.

I think Bubba gets it right far more than he gets it wrong. And a lot of the complaints about him largely seem to be blaming him for lack of football success that predates him by a long shot and that he's worked as he can within his position to improve.
 
SnoopRob said:
Bubba was right about the Tez issue from the University/AD perspective in that the institution is bigger than a single player. And what needed to happen was exactly what happened, non-direct institutional actors needed to assist Tez via a legal response that was the obvious next step in his process. I don't have an issue with Bubba making the right call for the AD's office & University when the next steps were those that largely needed to happen outside of the purview of the AD/University.

Yeah, there was certainly the stuff about the VB painting causing damage. That was silly thing, but also a very minor thing.

I think Bubba gets it right far more than he gets it wrong. And a lot of the complaints about him largely seem to be blaming him for lack of football success that predates him by a long shot and that he's worked as he can within his position to improve.
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I agree with your last paragraph 100%.

But on Tez, Compliance messed up completely. UNC should have fixed that mess up and resubmitted the paperwork correctly. There was no reason that had to be discovered by outside counsel. It was the athletic department acting incompetently and then attempting to bury it. That falls on Bubba.
 
Calheel said:
I agree with your last paragraph 100%.

But on Tez, Compliance messed up completely. UNC should have fixed that mess up and resubmitted the paperwork correctly. There was no reason that had to be discovered by outside counsel. It was the athletic department acting incompetently and then attempting to bury it. That falls on Bubba.
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I agree about the Compliance Office and resubmitting the paperwork. That was a UNC problem and they - and eventually Bubba - owns that issue. (Although I thought the CO did file the correct paperwork belatedly and the NCAA still denied his eligibility, although maybe I'm misremembering how the events went down.)

But once it was beyond the CO's ability to fix, then outside counsel was the right response and that was outside of Bubba's purview.
 
SnoopRob said:
I agree about the Compliance Office and resubmitting the paperwork. That was a UNC problem and they - and eventually Bubba - owns that issue.

But once it was beyond the CO's ability to fix, then outside counsel was the right response and that was outside of Bubba's purview.
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But it was never beyond Complaince’s ability to fix. If you read the NCAA’s snarky press release on the reinstatement, they basically blast UNC saying we should have submitted the correct paperwork like they repeatedly asked. At any point in time, Compliance could and should have corrected the prior error. That is all the outside counsel did.

And yet Bubba just wanted to drop the whole issue, which rightly pissed off Mack and the BoT.
 
Calheel said:
But it was never beyond Complaince’s ability to fix. If you read the NCAA’s snarky press release on the reinstatement, they basically blast UNC saying we should have submitted the correct paperwork like they repeatedly asked. At any point in time, Compliance could and should have corrected the prior error. That is all the outside counsel did.

And yet Bubba just wanted to drop the whole issue, which rightly pissed off Mack and the BoT.
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I edited after you quoted me, as I thought we eventually, but belatedly, provided all of the appropriate paperwork and the NCAA still denied the appeal. If I'm wrong on that, then that would change my opinion of what happened.
 
Can we all agree that “Bubba” is a terrible name for a respectable adult and largely an embarrassment for the institution? “Bubba” is what I’d expect from our farmer cousins down I-40.
 
Regarding most replies from the NCAA, I expect it to make itself look like Saint Francis of Assisi and the member institution(s) look like idiots or cheats or both……unless it’s making an SEC player(s) eligible.
 
True, true. But in the Tez case, UNC really did screw up. If the BoT had not pushed for a further review, Bubba would have completely screwed over Tez and the football team simply to avoid antagonizing the NCAA.
 
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