mynameisbond
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Not to be a Debbie Downer, but this is a win for Putin. Vinnik is a big fish.
Russia Catch-All | Trump calls for Russia to be returned to G7
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superrific
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Which of those claims is false? Which ones are overblown?
Remember: it's still the first month. All this shit has happened in one month. They have broken government in one month. You think it's all fun and games. Good for you, I guess. I like having advanced scientific research in this country and apparently that's where we differ, because they are very clearly going after the universities.
Callatoroy
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No, that was the price of joe's eggs and gas
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Nope, a win for trump. If you practice you can say it. There will be many, many more opportunities so fear not.
It can be both a win for Trump and a win for Putin. It can even be a bigger win for Putin than it is for Trump.
Still, I am glad we got an unfairly-detained American citizen back.
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BlooVooDoo
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A win for Trump would have been to kidnap a Russian in the US, charge them with fake offenses and then trade that schmuck for Fogle. As it is he gave up a known criminal and Putin stooge for a single innocent man.
Callatoroy
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No dude. Its a trump win for sure. Just ask him and his family. Its a great thing both political parties should embrace. Biden didn't get him released. Way more than enough to argue about. Just nod your head and say good job donald.
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The prisoner trades are never going to be “even,” that’s just how it is. The problem lies when someone like Trump is loudly proclaiming it was a “bad deal” when Biden brings home an American.
I don't know anything about the Russian that we gave up, but there certainly could be a scenario where we gave up too much to get him back. You would have to look at the particulars of the swap.
It's not a clear-cut win, in the same way that it might have not been a clear-cut win for Biden to get Griner and the other Americans released from Russia. You would have to look at who we gave up.
It is probably a win for both Presidents, but it is not as straightforward as your are suggesting.
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Remember the whole Brittney Griner thing? As I recall, conservative pundits were pretty up in arms about that deal, claiming it was a win for Putin and made America look bad.
Fact Check: Did Trump say Brittney Griner should be in Russian prison?
Biden-Harris HQ suggests Donald Trump believes WNBA star Brittney Griner should still be in a Russian prison.
www.newsweek.com
"I turned down a deal with Russia for a one-on-one swap of the so-called Merchant of Death for Paul Whelan," Trump said. "I wouldn't have made the deal for a hundred people in exchange for someone that has killed untold numbers of people with his arms deals. I would have gotten Paul out, however, just as I did with a record number of other hostages.
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