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But if most people are making the same crap wage then the housing prices should go down if the supply was there. I think it has to be a supply issue.
South Korea | Impeachment of PM Overturned
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Well, presidents aren't supposed to comment on ongoing investigations. It makes prosecution or civil enforcement considerably more difficult down the line.
If Kamala ran on prosecuting RealPage, then prosecuting RealPage would be harder. And I don't think it would move the needle, because people don't know who that is.
Populists' rarely make enemies out of obscure figures or organizations. I mean, they cite obscure people in the conspiracy. But ultimately, populists enemies are "them," "bureaucrats," "corrupt elites," etc. And that's why it's harder for non-populists to compete in this field, since our instinct is to make sure we're not just spouting gobs of bullshit.
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I posted a couple of articles above explaining the issue. I won't vouch for them as objective fact (I can't; I don't know enough) but they seem to be respectable takes.
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Be that as it may, if you want to solve the problem, you have to get enforcement to stick, and that is going to be harder if you are out there campaigning on it.
I have no problem naming enemies. My name for them is Trump. But if we're going to go down this route, let's name enemies that people know about or care about. There's a reason why "Hollywood elites" are more reviled than, say, Lehman Brothers. Because most people don't know what or who Lehman is, even though Lehman was way way worse. This is why the phrase "fat cats" exist, but it doesn't pack all that much punch. Not as much as "they."
I'm happy to turn things on their ear. Trump rails against the Deep State. We need to rail against the violent vigilantes he's appointing to the government. People who care only about power.
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Anyway, martial law is over. I won't say it's the shortest ever, but man it didn't really have any juice.
Rule #1 for declaring martial law: make sure the military is on your side. And not just the very top brass. The folks who have to pull the triggers.
I would expect the president to flee. I would guess Argentina, to hang out with the like-minded Milei.
Rule #1 for declaring martial law: make sure the military is on your side. And not just the very top brass. The folks who have to pull the triggers.
I would expect the president to flee. I would guess Argentina, to hang out with the like-minded Milei.
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That's all mostly fair, but the problem is there's never a singular "enemy" or cause for any of this. The things that cause inflation and housing price increases and shifts in the work force and so on are complicated, multifaceted, and often out of anyone's control. You're absolutely not wrong that scapegoating is successful, for many reasons - including because people want there to be a simple solution - but that doesn't mean that the counter to Republicans scapegoating immigrants, "welfare queens," etc is just to scapegoat better. If there's any one group who's more responsible for our problems, it's the super-rich, but attempting to direct blame onto them - mostly correctly! - has not been successful.
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I mean I find it hard to believe you never saw a single Trump ad. They were everywhere. Do you not, like, watch any sports or news on TV or anything?
The last paragraph is just completely off-base. it is Republicans, not Democrats, who talk incessantly about "transgender issues." See the aforementioned Nancy Mace example. The Harris campaign barely said one thing about "transgender issues" for months. That whole national conversation is from Republicans who successfully made it into a wedge issue. Hence the "Kamala is for they/them" ad that I saw about a million times in election season and that you could only have avoided seeing if you shut your TV off for several months straight.
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I agree with you that it was pubs who spoke way more about trans issues during the election. I didn't see many ads either but that is because I live in a solidly red state where they didn't need to spend much money on ads.
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I'm sure I saw one but I just don't remember seeing them. I do remember seeing a number of Harris ads.
And maybe I'm just overweighting this based on the posts I see here but I know plenty Democrats that were talking about transgender, race and misogyny issues as if that were the most important thing in the world to people instead of talking about how they're going to help folks have a better life. Frankly, that seems like a big part of the Democratic platform.
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Where exactly are you seeing double wide prices at this level? In rural eastern NC? Does this include multiple acres of land? Most of what I saw was in the $150k to $190k range.
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All I can say is you are woefully underinformed about the Harris campaign and the Democratic platform if you think "trans rights" was anywhere close to an issue they were pushing as part of the campaign. Trying to use this one random message board as an example of what you think Democratic politicians are campaigning on is laughable - and in any event if you look at the "trans issues" thread here you'll see it's basically all about the right-wing politicians and grifters who post non-stop about it.
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South Korean President backs down
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"President Yoon Suk Yeol of South Korea said he would lift the emergency declaration of martial law he imposed late Tuesday as soon as he could convene his cabinet, bowing to pressure after the National Assembly passed a resolution demanding it end. By law, Mr. Yoon needs to convene his cabinet to lift martial law.
The announcement by Mr. Yoon early Wednesday in South Korea came about five-and-a-half hours after he declared martial law in an unscheduled televised address, setting off largely peaceful demonstrations in Seoul. Within hours of his declaration, the National Assembly voted to rescind martial law, in a swift rebuke of the president’s response to the political deadlock that has hobbled his tenure."
Gift Link NYT --> https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/1...e_code=1.ek4.DSlo.qwV8AoG4hDcU&smid=url-share
"President Yoon Suk Yeol of South Korea said he would lift the emergency declaration of martial law he imposed late Tuesday as soon as he could convene his cabinet, bowing to pressure after the National Assembly passed a resolution demanding it end. By law, Mr. Yoon needs to convene his cabinet to lift martial law.
The announcement by Mr. Yoon early Wednesday in South Korea came about five-and-a-half hours after he declared martial law in an unscheduled televised address, setting off largely peaceful demonstrations in Seoul. Within hours of his declaration, the National Assembly voted to rescind martial law, in a swift rebuke of the president’s response to the political deadlock that has hobbled his tenure."
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From the NYT link:
President Yoon Suk Yeol of South Korea delivered the following address on Wednesday morning.
I declared emergency martial law at 11 p.m. last night as an act of national resolve against the anti-state forces that are trying to paralyze the essential functions of the state and disrupt the constitutional order of our liberal democracy.
However, a short time ago, the National Assembly demanded that martial law be lifted, so I withdrew the military forces that had been deployed to carry out martial law. I will lift martial law as soon as we have a quorum in the cabinet. It’s early in the morning, so we don’t have a quorum yet.
But I call on the National Assembly to immediately stop the outrageous behavior that is paralyzing the functioning of the country with impeachments, legislative manipulation and budget manipulation.
Thank you.
President Yoon’s speech walking back his martial law order.
President Yoon Suk Yeol of South Korea delivered the following address on Wednesday morning.
I declared emergency martial law at 11 p.m. last night as an act of national resolve against the anti-state forces that are trying to paralyze the essential functions of the state and disrupt the constitutional order of our liberal democracy.
However, a short time ago, the National Assembly demanded that martial law be lifted, so I withdrew the military forces that had been deployed to carry out martial law. I will lift martial law as soon as we have a quorum in the cabinet. It’s early in the morning, so we don’t have a quorum yet.
But I call on the National Assembly to immediately stop the outrageous behavior that is paralyzing the functioning of the country with impeachments, legislative manipulation and budget manipulation.
Thank you.
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Anything close to Raleigh, in my opinion, can no longer be considered rural...even if there is space. Rural eastern (at least the southern part) NC is Bladen County, Sampson, Duplin, Robeson, etc. Those counties have double wides in lower price ranges.
I have less than fond memories of double wides, having grown up in one in White Lake, NC. Loved the lake, not the paper thin walls and the smell of glue in my bedroom on hot summer days.
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Well I saw it and a fair number of more moderate Democratic politicians who were getting pummeled by it saw it too. And they weren't allowed to take a more moderate position without getting eviscerated by the base and losing support from the national party.
That's not just one random message board. That's the head of the DNC for Texas. That's congressmen.
Some Democrats blame party’s position on transgender rights in part for Harris’ loss
Republicans spent millions attacking Democrats on transgender rights. Some say that’s one reason why Harris lost.
www.nbcnews.com
And just to be clear, I don't think that's why she lost but taking these hardline stances on very unpopular issues without giving politicians room to maneuver is hurting Democrats.
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How did a thread about South Korean martial law turn into a discussion of trans ads and doublewides?
I get that the martial law is over (it never really started) but there still are interesting points about the dynamics in South Korea that produced this. I suppose nobody here really knows much about South Korea
I get that the martial law is over (it never really started) but there still are interesting points about the dynamics in South Korea that produced this. I suppose nobody here really knows much about South Korea
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Modular homes are not trailers/mobile homes...
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sounds like Trump
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What exactly do you think that article shows about the positions that Dems have taken on certain issues or whether those issues were talked about in campaigns? You will find Dems blaming 1000 different things since the election, and the only thing to be sure of is that most of the people assigning blame to this issue or that issue are likely wrong.Well I saw it and a fair number of more moderate Democratic politicians who were getting pummeled by it saw it too. And they weren't allowed to take a more moderate position without getting eviscerated by the base and losing support from the national party.
That's not just one random message board. That's the head of the DNC for Texas. That's congressmen.
Some Democrats blame party’s position on transgender rights in part for Harris’ loss
Republicans spent millions attacking Democrats on transgender rights. Some say that’s one reason why Harris lost.
And just to be clear, I don't think that's why she lost but taking these hardline stances on very unpopular issues without giving politicians room to maneuver is hurting Democrats.
That article includes reference to the exact ad I referenced earlier - the "Kamala is for they/them" add mentions that "Republicans spent more than $200 million on network television advertisements centered on transgender issues this year." It also includes this passage:
"Between the 2020 and 2024 elections, transgender rights have become a political flashpoint in the nation’s culture wars.
Thousands of anti-LGBTQ bills were filed in state legislatures across the country, with many of them targeting transgender Americans specifically, according to tallies by the American Civil Liberties Union.
Corporate America was also pulled into the fray, with American brands like Bud Light facing immense backlash for partnering with trans influencers. And perhaps nothing stoked more conversation than the issue of transgender girls and women competing in girls and women’s sports."
In other words, exactly what I said: all of the attention and campaigning and attempted legislation on this issue is coming from Republicans, not Democrats. Further supported by this passage:
"Harris largely avoided the issue on the trail and in interviews and it was notably absent from this year’s Democratic National Convention.
Asked if she believed that transgender Americans should have access to gender-affirming care in this country, Harris told NBC News’ Hallie Jackson, “That is a decision that doctors will make in terms of what is medically necessary.” Pressed further, she said, “I believe that all people should be treated with dignity and respect, period, and should not be vilified for who they are, and should not be bullied for who they are.”"
In other words, exactly what I said: Democrats weren't talking about this issue at all and Harris very quickly changed the subject whenever asked about it. The idea that there is any clear, public "hardline stance" on this issue from Democrats is laughable.it is a fiction invented by Republicans and echoed by Dems who are now reacting to the loss in November by trying to pivot right.
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Did I say they were? If so that was a typo. I guess this makes three things about modular homes I know: they exist; they are called modular; and they are not trailers. I guess I also know they are built modularly. So not 0. Just barely more than zero.