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dcphx said:
That's not really an endorsement IMO. She says this is who I'm voting for but stops short of saying that is who you also should be voting for.

Specifically: "I've done my research, and I've made my choice. Your research is all yours to do and the choice is yours to make." then goes on to say that in order to vote, you need to register so register to vote.

Don't get me wrong, it's good but nothing that says to her followers, here is who I, Taylor Swift, believe that you should vote for.
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dude......this:

"I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the 2024 Presidential Election. I’m voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them. I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos. I was so heartened and impressed by her selection of running mate @timwalz, who has been standing up for LGBTQ+ rights, IVF, and a woman’s right to her own body for decades."

is a clear endorsement. saying "y'all better vote for her, too!" is bossy and unnecessary and the kind of thing that pisses some people off. her statement was very well crafted and her stated reasoning for voting for kamala encourages people to do the same without outright trying to tell people what to do.
 
dcphx said:
That's not really an endorsement IMO. She says this is who I'm voting for but stops short of saying that is who you also should be voting for.

Specifically: "I've done my research, and I've made my choice. Your research is all yours to do and the choice is yours to make." then goes on to say that in order to vote, you need to register so register to vote.

Don't get me wrong, it's good but nothing that says to her followers, here is who I, Taylor Swift, believe that you should vote for.
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Eh - I understand your semantic point but I can promise you that what she said is every bit as impactful as "I think you should go vote for Harris."
 
I don't think, despite her popularity, her endorsement will have much impact. The demographic she appeals to either can't vote or isn't likely to vote when compared to other demographics. If they're young and were intending to vote, they're likely already interested in/informed about politics and are going to base their decision on facts, not the endorsement of a pop singer.
 
ZenMode said:
The demographic she appeals to either can't vote or isn't likely to vote when compared to other demographics.
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If you think Swifties are under 21, that just means that you're getting really old.

Taylor has had this following for over a decade now. Most of 'em are in their late 20's and 30's. And while they may not have been likely to vote in 2016, this ain't 2016.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think, despite her popularity, her endorsement will have much impact. The demographic she appeals to either can't vote or isn't likely to vote when compared to other demographics. If they're young and were intending to vote, they're likely already interested in/informed about politics and are going to base their decision on facts, not the endorsement of a pop singer.
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Wut? The demographic to which she appeals the most are…uh…most certainly of voting age, specifically the early/mid 20’s to late 30’s/early 40’s.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think, despite her popularity, her endorsement will have much impact. The demographic she appeals to either can't vote or isn't likely to vote when compared to other demographics. If they're young and were intending to vote, they're likely already interested in/informed about politics and are going to base their decision on facts, not the endorsement of a pop singer.
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Well first of all I think her "demographic" is broader than you think. She's widely popular, and in particular is extremely popular with women (especially, but by no means exclusively, white women) from 18 all the way through the mid 40s or so. When you say "The demographic she appeals to either can't vote or isn't likely to vote" I think you're intending to refer primarily to young people (teenagers to early 20s or so) but that really undersells the breadth of her appeal.

And second, I certainly agree that young voters don't turn out very well. I have long bemoaned the fact that young voters constantly complain about the government not being responsive enough to what they want because they make it a self-fulfilling prophecy by voting in lower proportions than almost any other demographic. But what I think you're missing about the potential of such a direct statement from Swift is the likelihood that it will persuade lots of young people who weren't going to vote, to go and vote - and that demographic of course is very likely to vote Dem (and will be even more so with her endorsement). I'm not saying it will bring millions of rabid young voters to the polls or anything, but if it means that just a few thousand more young people in each of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania come out and vote, then it will have been an incredibly impactful endorsement.
 
CFordUNC said:
Wut? The demographic to which she appeals the most are…uh…most certainly of voting age, specifically the early/mid 20’s to late 30’s/early 40’s.
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The demo she's most likely to influence (teens-20's) is the least likely to vote and it seems unlikely to me that a 30-40 year old is going to base her decision on the opinion of a pop singer, especially in today's political environment.
 
I could've done without the "do your own research" part and understand that she probably said that so as not to come off as directly telling her fans who to vote for....

Also, as naive as it sounds, she probably though it might blunt some of the attacks from right-wing media, MAGA nuts... for her endorsement of Harris because she suggested that her fans "do their on research" and make their own decisions.
 
milom98 said:
I could've done without the "do your own research" part and understand that she probably said that so as not to come off as directly telling her fans who to vote for....

Also, as naive as it sounds, she probably though it might blunt some of the attacks from right-wing media, MAGA nuts... for her endorsement of Harris because she suggested that her fans "do their on research" and make their own decisions.
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Do your own research also sounds like stay informed and don’t believe everything you see online.
 
rodoheel said:
Well first of all I think her "demographic" is broader than you think. She's widely popular, and in particular is extremely popular with women (especially, but by no means exclusively, white women) from 18 all the way through the mid 40s or so. When you say "The demographic she appeals to either can't vote or isn't likely to vote" I think you're intending to refer primarily to young people (teenagers to early 20s or so) but that really undersells the breadth of her appeal.

And second, I certainly agree that young voters don't turn out very well. I have long bemoaned the fact that young voters constantly complain about the government not being responsive enough to what they want because they make it a self-fulfilling prophecy by voting in lower proportions than almost any other demographic. But what I think you're missing about the potential of such a direct statement from Swift is the likelihood that it will persuade lots of young people who weren't going to vote, to go and vote - and that demographic of course is very likely to vote Dem (and will be even more so with her endorsement). I'm not saying it will bring millions of rabid young voters to the polls or anything, but if it means that just a few thousand more young people in each of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania come out and vote, then it will have been an incredibly impactful endorsement.
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I agree her Demographic is broad. I mean, I (white guy in his 40's) listen to her music. I think the demo she is likely to influence is the demo that is least likely to vote and was probably already going to vote for Kamala. I just don't see many undecided 30-40 year old women making their decision based on the endorsement of a popular population singer.
 
Thought I saw somewhere that through her relationship with Kelce, she’s become friends with Brittany Mahomes (the QB’s wife for non-NFL fans) and apparently she’s a Republican. Could be messaging it that way to keep the peace in the friendship.
 
ZenMode said:
I agree her Demographic is broad. I mean, I (white guy in his 40's) listen to her music. I think the demo she is likely to influence is the demo that is least likely to vote. I just see many undecided 30-40 year old women making their decision based on the endorsement of a popular population singer.
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You're looking at this the wrong way. The most important effect won't be convincing undecided people to vote for Harris instead of Trump. It will be convincing dem-leaning but generally politically apathetic people to go to the polls. To the extent any one person's endorsement means anything, that's about the best you can hope for.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think, despite her popularity, her endorsement will have much impact. The demographic she appeals to either can't vote or isn't likely to vote when compared to other demographics. If they're young and were intending to vote, they're likely already interested in/informed about politics and are going to base their decision on facts, not the endorsement of a pop singer.
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lmao okay, mike huckabee.

he said something like this back in 2018 and meanwhile the young women he was referring to have aged 6 years.

swift has TONS of appeal, with white women especially, all the way from teenagers to olds - my 64 year old mother is a swiftie.
 
rodoheel said:
You're looking at this the wrong way. The most important effect won't be convincing undecided people to vote for Harris instead of Trump. It will be convincing dem-leaning but generally politically apathetic people to go to the polls. To the extent any one person's endorsement means anything, that's about the best you can hope for.
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I don't disagree. IMO, not matter how you slice it, her impact will be negligible. She might be the deciding factor for a very small number of undecideds who actual vote and may influence a very small number of people to vote, who otherwise wouldn't have.
 
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