The gig economy and how big tech is pitting us all against each other.

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Uber, Lyft, Doordash, Instacart, Grubhub, etc. are taking advantage of the higher unemployment in the US. They approve too many drivers, food delivery workers and shoppers on their platforms and gamify their apps to try to get workers to accept lower and lower pay. The stores, restaurants, etc. don't usually like dealing with these workers and the workers blame the consumers for low pay because they "work for tips".

I have been browsing Reddit more and get recommended posts that are often workers complaining about customers that didn't tip or didn't tip enough.

Thoughts?
 
There was a story two weeks ago about a DoorDash driver who was dropping off food shooting and killing someone who tried to steal his car. He’s been charged with first degree murder.
 
1moretimeagain said:
There was a story two weeks ago about a DoorDash driver who was dropping off food shooting and killing someone who tried to steal his car. He’s been charged with first degree murder.
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That happened a block from my house. I heard the gunshots. He left the car running (which is illegal) and when he returned someone was trying to steal his car. He wound up shooting a 15 year old who was in the drivers seat. My guess is they have charged him with murder one to keep him in jail. I have to believe this will be pled down to manslaughter. The unknown for me is if the Door Dash driver had a criminal record.

@Icky Mettle do you know anything more about this?
 
farce© said:
That happened a block from my house. I heard the gunshots. He left the car running (which is illegal) and when he returned someone was trying to steal his car. He wound up shooting a 15 year old who was in the drivers seat. My guess is they have charged him with murder one to keep him in jail. I have to believe this will be pled down to manslaughter. The unknown for me is if the Door Dash driver had a criminal record.

@Icky Mettle do you know anything more about this?
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Somehow I didn’t hear about it.

As to whether the driver had a criminal record, I don’t know about this case, but I have a lot of clients with lengthy criminal records who deliver for DoorDash. It always makes me wonder about who’s showing up to my house when I order through DoorDash.

ETA: I looked it up and one of the articles I saw states the driver has no prior criminal record. I see it happened right by Al Mike’s.
 
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heelfan108 said:
Uber, Lyft, Doordash, Instacart, Grubhub, etc. are taking advantage of the higher unemployment in the US. They approve too many drivers, food delivery workers and shoppers on their platforms and gamify their apps to try to get workers to accept lower and lower pay. The stores, restaurants, etc. don't usually like dealing with these workers and the workers blame the consumers for low pay because they "work for tips".

I have been browsing Reddit more and get recommended posts that are often workers complaining about customers that didn't tip or didn't tip enough.

Thoughts?
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All garbage corporations. Never used any of these services except a couple times over the past few years when my wife received a gift card for Grub Hub or Door Dash for her birthday. Younger millennials and Gen Z are addicted to the convenience though. They'll happily pay $32 for a $15 meal while complaining about the cost of living (which is a valid issue).
 
nrsair said:
Have never and will never use those services.
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Me too. I just don't get it. I'm not to lazy to go and pick up my food. Plus I have a phobia about some stranger handling my food even though I'm sure 99% wouldn't tamper with it but I would be the one that they did. And, food is already expensive enough (thanks trump) that I'm not going to pay another $5 to $10 just for someone to bring it to me cold.
 
The food is now sealed, even the drinks. The drivers can't get into it without it being pretty obvious. But for me it's stil not worth the premium you pay for delivery unless there is some crazy special being run. At one point Uber Eats was running $25 off $35 on your first two orders which was a great deal and I used both of those but haven't used it since.
 
I do not know the details on Door dash-but I "think" what they charge the restaurant makes the transaction practically a loss for the restaurant. I hate that
 
Never have used any of these myself and would have to be in pretty dire or emergent situations before I’d ever use UberEats, DoorDash, etc. I don’t even like Uber or Lyft- in the extremely rare instance where I don’t have a rental vehicle on work trips, I’ll go out of my way to hire a private local company/driver whom I can pay directly.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Somehow I didn’t hear about it.

As to whether the driver had a criminal record, I don’t know about this case, but I have a lot of clients with lengthy criminal records who deliver for DoorDash. It always makes me wonder about who’s showing up to my house when I order through DoorDash.

ETA: I looked it up and one of the articles I saw states the driver has no prior criminal record. I see it happened right by Al Mike’s.
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So does it make sense to charge first degree murder? You’re a criminal lawyer in this jurisdiction, is this what you would expect? It seems excessive to me, I would expect a manslaughter charge.

And yes, it happened two blocks from AlMike’s. It was at the corner of Pine and 7th. Most reports say it happened on 8th St but that is due to the 911 caller having an 8th St address (all of Springfield Square condos have 8th St addresses despite the complex stretching from 7th to 8th St.)
 
farce© said:
So does it make sense to charge first degree murder? You’re a criminal lawyer in this jurisdiction, is this what you would expect? It seems excessive to me, I would expect a manslaughter charge.

And yes, it happened two blocks from AlMike’s. It was at the corner of Pine and 7th. Most reports say it happened on 8th St but that is due to the 911 caller having an 8th St address (all of Springfield Square condos have 8th St addresses despite the complex stretching from 7th to 8th St.)
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Technically, the facts as I understand them could support a first degree murder charge. Killing somebody merely to protect property (vs. protecting life/protecting oneself or another from bodily injury), is not a defense to first degree murder. That said, it sounds like there may have been a gun found near the victim. If the shooter saw the victim with the gun and had reason to feel threatened, it could be grounds for a self defense claim. The age of the victim (15-years-old) may also impact the charging decision.

It is not unusual for the most serious crime to be charged if there are facts to support it. The defendant will almost certainly receive an offer for a reduced charge. The first offer may very likely be voluntary manslaughter. If the defendant’s lawyer can convince the state that his client has a very strong self-defined claim, it may even come down to an involuntary manslaughter offer.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Technically, the facts as I understand them could support a first degree murder charge. Killing somebody merely to protect property (vs. protecting life/protecting oneself or another from bodily injury), is not a defense to first degree murder.
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My sister from Charleston was visiting the weekend after this shooting. She said in SC you can use lethal force to protect life or property and the shooter would probably walk in SC. I don’t know if that’s true (she isn’t an attorney) but an interesting contrast if that is the case, especially if the driver is from SC.
 
I'm curious how the margins on food delivery have evolved. IIRC, use to be pretty high (30%) but I'm wondering how that has changed with competition. Down here they have reduced the commission and raised the delivery fee which has let them expand to include fast food (BK, Subway, pizza, etc).
 
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